Thread: [Event 12] Apocalypse & Phoenix Rematch

Originally Posted by Aidoru

The 222.4 and 222.8 example turned into percentages is 22240% and 22280%, which is still a 40% difference if comparing to a regular 100% attack.

Besides the fact that it's misleading when expressed that way, that 40% multiplier isn't comparable to other modifiers. For example, going double Apocalypse sacrifices a 20% HP boost you could've gotten from Crom. And what do you get in return? About a 7% damage boost. That's why I didn't find your example all that useful to answering the question at the center of the discussion: using what we know about the damage formulas to recommend what eidolons (new) players should be investing in and using.

The only thing HP% is necessary for at this point is Ragnarok.

Regardless, that small boost value you guys are getting is just the difference between comparing the difference between the 2 enhanced values but not in comparison to the base value of a regular attack.

Also, to rekindle an old debate, I started spamming Ultimates on auto with D'art and 3x Snatch + 2x Snatch equipped, and the platinum chests are dropping like candy (I actually WILL be able to max LB the Light weapon). Oddly, I'm not sure it's affecting the drop rate of gold chests. Ironically, collecting data on this would likely prove pointless, since we know Snatch was changed at some point and these renewal events may be using old mechanics...

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Originally Posted by Aidoru

The only thing HP% is necessary for at this point is Ragnarok.

HP boosts are also useful to insulate a group on Auto from spike damage. That applies to Advent event Ultimates as well as Raid events on Expert difficulty.

Ah yes, there's that's too, though for me that's more or less a convenience factor, for those who don't have the time to manually run all or do but are just lazy. Not exactly a necessity but a nice goal to aim for to auto battle an event.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Also, to rekindle an old debate, I started spamming Ultimates on auto with D'art and 3x Snatch + 2x Snatch equipped, and the platinum chests are dropping like candy (I actually WILL be able to max LB the Light weapon). Oddly, I'm not sure it's affecting the drop rate of gold chests. Ironically, collecting data on this would likely prove pointless, since we know Snatch was changed at some point and these renewal events may be using old mechanics...

I'm also using D'art w/ 2nd snatch to farm Ultimates, in addition to 1 or 2 Anzu, depend on the availability of support eido.
However, with 400 golden exchange materials accumulated during the revival so far, only two platinum chests dropped.
Just for reference, nothing conclusive since the probability being too small thus variance could be large.

Besides, I have much more confidence to say that snatch has very little effect on the drop of gold chest, which is always 3 or 4 per run, same as some events where I can't use D'art or Anzu.

Originally Posted by Wanderer

I'm also using D'art w/ 2nd snatch to farm Ultimates, in addition to 1 or 2 Anzu, depend on the availability of support eido.
However, with 400 golden exchange materials accumulated during the revival so far, only two platinum chests dropped.
Just for reference, nothing conclusive since the probability being too small thus variance could be large.

Besides, I have much more confidence to say that snatch has very little effect on the drop of gold chest, which is always 3 or 4 per run, same as some events where I can't use D'art or Anzu.

I have neither Anzu nor use snatch and I've gotten 5 plat chests this event when I usually get none. I think using D'art is confirmation bias, but we can't be sure either way until someone makes a spreadsheet (not me).

Originally Posted by HoroBoro

I have neither Anzu nor use snatch and I've gotten 5 plat chests this event when I usually get none. I think using D'art is confirmation bias, but we can't be sure either way until someone makes a spreadsheet (not me).

Collect observations of 100 platinum chests collected with D'art across a given number of battles, and 100 platinum chests collected without Snatch across a given number of battles, and I'll "make a spreadsheet". The calculation is simple, but collecting such data is not.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Collect observations of 100 platinum chests collected with D'art across a given number of battles, and 100 platinum chests collected without Snatch across a given number of battles, and I'll "make a spreadsheet". The calculation is simple, but collecting such data is not.

I remember you have some data already. Do you have a link to a spreadsheet? I'd be willing to add in my numbers if one exists, though I haven't kept track thus far. I'm sure others will too. Not sure how you would want the data to be sorted. Rows being runs and columns being number of chests (plat, gold, silver bronze)?

100 platinum chests will require multiple people over multiple events.

I have a template that could be used in the Snatch data tab (see the toolbox link in my signature). The number of chests of each rarity gathered per run would be sufficient (displayed when the boss dies, so you don't have to manually count, plus platinums which would need to be manually counted). Aidoru's template, which is much more detailed, could also be used (linked to in the Advent drop calcs (Ixion) tab). Each user should collect data in their own closed template to prevent vandalism.

But yes, this would be a sustained effort that would require many users over several events.

Statistically, I could do a t-test comparing drop rates across each event between the Snatch group (collected assuming 5+ stacks on the Advent boss, which is more or less guaranteed if you use Snatch on cooldown with D'art equipped with Snatch II) and no-Snatch group. Alternatively, I could pool the data and compare the overall drop rate using Fischer's Exact Test.

Caveat: Assuming a base platinum chest drop rate of 1%, Snatch would have to boost that rate to 1.3% (a 30% increase) to spot a difference using a Fischer's Exact Test with a sample size of 100. That drop rate increase may be overly optimistic (the effect on bronze chest drop rates seems to be in the 10-15% range).