Thread: [Event 12] Apocalypse & Phoenix Rematch

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Good ol misclick when trying to click reply. /sigh



No it's not a bad idea to get her and max her if you use light and not a cash player. If you bothered to look at wiki you should know the next light event eidolon isn't for over 10 more weeks and is completely inferior as a main eidolon. Phoenix is the best for an all light team and the best for light in general for a very long time as all the rest of them have low passives boosts. There's a 70% boost in the far future but that requires you use 3 different element himes to obtain the 70% light boost and even then, that's not for at least 8~9 more months.

If you're not using light, then obviously you can just ignore her.

3 different element kami? i can get 1 of them in main team and the other 2 in sub team, right?

Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN

3 different element kami? i can get 1 of them in main team and the other 2 in sub team, right?

According to the google translate of the JP wiki of one of the eidolon that has the 70% buff, it needs to be the 5 main units of your main team including your soul. They also mention it's a rather difficult or questionable to use these kind of eidolons as main because if mismatching sub himes in case one of your main dies, it negates the effect altogether meaning you get nothing.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

According to the google translate of the JP wiki of one of the eidolon that has the 70% buff, it needs to be the 5 main units of your main team including your soul. They also mention it's a rather difficult or questionable to use these kind of eidolons as main because if mismatching sub himes in case one of your main dies, it negates the effect altogether meaning you get nothing.

i think i misunderstood something, by 3 elements it means i can use light team+ another 2 random element kamihime, right?
and if the other 2 have to be in main team and not in sub, that means only 3 kamihime will get that bonus at time 'cause the other 2 have to be with different element.
i guess it can give some high bonus, but have lots of risks to it as well :S

It's mostly for teams which are severely lacking in some department, like having only good offensive fire himes so you can use two of them and put in a Sol for healing and a dark debuffer to keep your team alive/reduce enemy's def.

Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN

i think i misunderstood something, by 3 elements it means i can use light team+ another 2 random element kamihime, right?
and if the other 2 have to be in main team and not in sub, that means only 3 kamihime will get that bonus at time 'cause the other 2 have to be with different element.
i guess it can give some high bonus, but have lots of risks to it as well :S

I made a date mistake and we're actually getting the 70% light eidolon in a couple weeks with the union event. The wiki for some reason had the specific girl I was looking at placed on the bottom instead of after Quetzalcoatl.

Anyways, that 70% is actually its no break passive. It goes up to 90%. So it's quite good as long as you can keep you main team alive but whether you can actually fully break her or not may not be up to you. Hopefully you have a active union.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Anyways, that 70% is actually its no break passive. It goes up to 90%. So it's quite good as long as you can keep you main team alive but whether you can actually fully break her or not may not be up to you. Hopefully you have a active union.

I did some DPS comparisons and the Lilith eidolons are a substantial DPS loss unless you actually plan to run with 2 off-element kamihime. As in, a team with 1 off-element kamihime and typical eidolons will outperform that team in DPS by 5-10%. It's a nice fallback for Ragnaroks where certain skills are required, so you definitely want to pick up the one for your element, if only for their situational usefulness (an ~15% DPS boost in those 2 off-element kamihime scenarios).

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

I did some DPS comparisons and the Lilith eidolons are a substantial DPS loss unless you actually plan to run with 2 off-element kamihime. As in, a team with 1 off-element kamihime and typical eidolons will outperform that team in DPS by 5-10%. It's a nice fallback for Ragnaroks where certain skills are required, so you definitely want to pick up the one for your element, if only for their situational usefulness.

I plan to grab them regardless just for the sake of collection. Though the light one might have to wait.

It looks like I might have misread the JP wiki again and my original post was correct on dates before my edits. Seems like the light Lilim/Lilith eidolon won't be in the very first union event as a reward. According to the JP wiki, it wasn't added until the reprint event which wasn't for a long time, which is why she's on the bottom of the list on the SSR eidolons page which is sorted by release. I'm not sure whether or not nutaku will give us her for our first or not. Though considering what they did recently with the rematch event shop, I'm rather worried.

And according to the JP wiki's event listing comments for the first union event, it had problems, hopefully nutaku doesn't give us that version but rather a updated version with possibly her as a reward.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

And according to the JP wiki's event listing comments for the first union event, it had problems, hopefully nutaku doesn't give us that version but rather a updated version with possibly her as a reward.

10,000 gems says Nutaku leaves known problems in our version, because there's no incentive to actually fix these things proactively. There's a good chance they won't even know about the issues til they happen.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

I made a date mistake and we're actually getting the 70% light eidolon in a couple weeks with the union event. The wiki for some reason had the specific girl I was looking at placed on the bottom instead of after Quetzalcoatl.

Anyways, that 70% is actually its no break passive. It goes up to 90%. So it's quite good as long as you can keep you main team alive but whether you can actually fully break her or not may not be up to you. Hopefully you have a active union.

so let say i and someone else manage to get the thunder version to 4 stars, i put it as main eidolon and use his as support eidolon
the bonus can be 180% as long as the main team have 3 different element?
i wonder how much damage tyr can deal when the enemy is stunned and finish impact used with this kind of boost

Honestly, it's nothing to be amazed at, there are gacha eidolons in the future that give 100% boost (120% at full break) without the party restrictions and that's not character element atk, that's the regular element atk. It's rather ridiculous.