Thread: choosing a team for yata gass

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Some things I can make out from the wiki.

Fire enemy
Easier than previous Ragnarok
2 overdrive charge meter
Raging overdrive applies strong def buff on boss. Halves damage?
Normal overdrive applies debuff that prevents you from healing for 5 turns.

Just from a quick glance, your water team is better. Elemental advantage and far more utility (debuffs, Mordred, Eidolon with HP, etc). The only good thing about your dark team vs an Advent Ragnarok is Satan.

But then again, I wouldn't know until we actually get the event.

so it's better to make her use her overdrive skill when she isn't raging as she won't be a tank, althogh i won't be able to heal for a while?
i see, so water team would be better fo it, though i think they may still struggle a bit there, but as you said we won't know till we get the event

Originally Posted by noxybell

This is a little off topic but still pertains to team composition and Ultimate difficulty clearance.

In Yata Garasu advent event, DMM first implemented Event Missions. Out of the numerous rewards, the hardest mission, "clearing Ultimate difficulty with only himes rarity R or below", has the best reward of a Dragon Eye shard piece. Are you planning about it?

As for your original question, if I were you I would search up DMM wiki to see the damage range of Yata Garasu. If she has high damage Rage burst or something similar, I would go for the Water team, just to capitalize on the natural elemental resistance.

to be honest, i knew that we'll have those event task at some point, but didn't knew when it'll be first introduced so it wasn't on my mind.
though if it's ultimate with R hime it should be fine, as long as i can use legendary soul and my SSR weapons&eidolon.

Originally Posted by Kitty

ok, so from what I've saw, her raging damage doesn't deal as much damage as I thought.. under 2k for all allies it seems? but that's with her atk lowered, which should be easy..mordred+jorm/triton
use your water team for sure.. use mordred, as she can use her max overdrive meter thing and debuff defense without an extra skill, gabriel have the 2nd def debuff, use chaos magic as extra skill but not til she's raging ofc, cause it will clear yatagas' def buff to herself after her strong atk or if she increases her def with normal atk in rage mode...it's a strong buff so your damage will lower a lot.. that only if she use it twice though.
remember gabriel increase burst gauge for allies with each hit, unlike any dark kami, nike healing will make sure they all survive til she's stunned, so you can use oceanus for a strong burst though i'm sure without nike you could survive anyway.. as it is for now, try to get more of the ATK weapon like you did with the gun, not that it matters too much... you can win with both dark and water for sure without using elixers but try with water, i don't think it'll be hard at all... i will try ragnarok this time, hopefully we can both win
why not try both and record both? XD

is mordred attack and def debuff are frame b? if so then like you said i can have her with 2 debuff as soon as the battle start.
i'll try to get more of that water glaive, but i also need to level up their skill as my current 1 have level 2 skill (well, it's kinda new lol)
i wouldn't be so sure if i can bet her "easy" with both teams as i never battled her and never saw her in action, so maybe i'll start with water team as we can challenge it only once a day so if i fail it's a lost of that green material.

Originally Posted by /

is mordred attack and def debuff are frame b? if so then like you said i can have her with 2 debuff as soon as the battle start.
i'll try to get more of that water glaive, but i also need to level up their skill as my current 1 have level 2 skill (well, it's kinda new lol)
i wouldn't be so sure if i can bet her "easy" with both teams as i never battled her and never saw her in action, so maybe i'll start with water team as we can challenge it only once a day so if i fail it's a lost of that green material.

yes, it's frame b atk/def -10%
good luck with finding more of the glaive, shouldn't be hard to level the skills though, and since we're just farming for weapon materials at this point in the union event we can level them easily
but, i know one thing... i've read a little about it in the wiki, and also saw a battle of ragnarok by a guy that's not much stronger than myself, and i'm pretty confident after watching how the battle is.. he didn't lose anyone in this battle. you're much stronger than me, so if i can do it, you can.. but yea, start with water team, and if you feel like it, attempt it with your dark team... if you think you'll fail(which i doubt), just quit the battle and it won't count as a loss at least we know the ultimate battles will be a piece of cake, and with the amount of elixer/half elixers you have, you don't even have to use them all to get all the rewards XD i hope you can complete ragnarok each day
but as it is now...preparing for the event, you can join any of my water raid if you want and have the bp spare ^_^

Originally Posted by noxybell

I blame the DMM wiki for doing a spectacular job of not organizing their content then.

I'm simply pointing out how to retrieve information about future events that's (more likely to be) accurate. My guild leader made the same mistake, resulting in wasted time and energy discussing bad info. Even after I pointed this out here, you can see that others persisted in discussing the (likely wrong) info.

To reiterate for those not following this conversation:
The Japanese wiki has a "backup" link that allows you to view past versions of each page. This is invaluable for obtaining snapshots of each event page BEFORE THE REVIVAL, after which rewards and features were often adjusted. These pre-revival versions are likely to match the event when it appears on Nutaku, though we also know that Nutaku may not incorporate revival adjustments even during revivals (see Apocalypse and Phoenix revival rewards).

Originally Posted by Kitty

yes, it's frame b atk/def -10%
good luck with finding more of the glaive, shouldn't be hard to level the skills though, and since we're just farming for weapon materials at this point in the union event we can level them easily
but, i know one thing... i've read a little about it in the wiki, and also saw a battle of ragnarok by a guy that's not much stronger than myself, and i'm pretty confident after watching how the battle is.. he didn't lose anyone in this battle. you're much stronger than me, so if i can do it, you can.. but yea, start with water team, and if you feel like it, attempt it with your dark team... if you think you'll fail(which i doubt), just quit the battle and it won't count as a loss at least we know the ultimate battles will be a piece of cake, and with the amount of elixer/half elixers you have, you don't even have to use them all to get all the rewards XD i hope you can complete ragnarok each day
but as it is now...preparing for the event, you can join any of my water raid if you want and have the bp spare ^_^

for now i have 120 half elixers which is 3 times more than i usually have and manage to MLB both weapon and eidolon, so no problem here.
well, she does sounds easier, but i'll have to fight her first and see it with my own eyes :O

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

I'm simply pointing out how to retrieve information about future events that's (more likely to be) accurate. My guild leader made the same mistake, resulting in wasted time and energy discussing bad info. Even after I pointed this out here, you can see that others persisted in discussing the (likely wrong) info.

To reiterate for those not following this conversation:
The Japanese wiki has a "backup" link that allows you to view past versions of each page. This is invaluable for obtaining snapshots of each event page BEFORE THE REVIVAL, after which rewards and features were often adjusted. These pre-revival versions are likely to match the event when it appears on Nutaku, though we also know that Nutaku may not incorporate revival adjustments even during revivals (see Apocalypse and Phoenix revival rewards).

so those reward events won't start with yata gass event? ok, you have an idea to when they actually do start then?
even if i'll check the wiki by myself i may get the wrong info as well lol
also, i'm pretty sure thay you can tell me the answer so i'll ask it too, how much bonus elemental advantage get? is it X1.5 or X2 of the original damage?

Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN

so those reward events won't start with yata gass event? ok, you have an idea to when they actually do start then?
even if i'll check the wiki by myself i may get the wrong info as well lol
also, i'm pretty sure thay you can tell me the answer so i'll ask it too, how much bonus elemental advantage get? is it X1.5 or X2 of the original damage?

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Event missions for Advents should start around late October for us.

The elemental advantage bonus is +45-48% elemental damage. But since it stacks additively with eidolon elemental effects, the actual effect on overall DPS will vary.

Originally Posted by Kitty

yes, it's frame b atk/def -10%
good luck with finding more of the glaive, shouldn't be hard to level the skills though, and since we're just farming for weapon materials at this point in the union event we can level them easily
but, i know one thing... i've read a little about it in the wiki, and also saw a battle of ragnarok by a guy that's not much stronger than myself, and i'm pretty confident after watching how the battle is.. he didn't lose anyone in this battle. you're much stronger than me, so if i can do it, you can.. but yea, start with water team, and if you feel like it, attempt it with your dark team... if you think you'll fail(which i doubt), just quit the battle and it won't count as a loss at least we know the ultimate battles will be a piece of cake, and with the amount of elixer/half elixers you have, you don't even have to use them all to get all the rewards XD i hope you can complete ragnarok each day
but as it is now...preparing for the event, you can join any of my water raid if you want and have the bp spare ^_^

You can do that for advdent ragnarok? please explain how its done please!

Not sure why you said "Yata Gas" but I'm pretty sure failgle translate is to be blamed here.

Sorry for being a grammar Nazi but it should be Yatagarasu, the three legged crow.


I mean we're talking about Google translate that translated "Hastur" as "A Bus" afterall...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You can do that for advdent ragnarok? please explain how its done please!

how you quit the battle just like every other battle... if you know you're likely to die then before you die completely just give up and you can attempt it again?

Originally Posted by Kitty

how you quit the battle just like every other battle... if you know you're likely to die then before you die completely just give up and you can attempt it again?

I'm pretty sure that you can NOT do that for Ragnarok.

Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong but based on my analysis, here is how the game works.

Whenever you start up a fight you have to pay for the requirements first. This means you either pay AP points, raid battle points, Raid event items (in case of events) or in this case, the 1 Ragna raid battle point that refreshes itself every day at login hours.
Don't believe me? Go ahead start up any battle or join a raid. As soon as you got in, exit the battle by clicking on the "Menu" button in the top right corner of your screen and try to exit by "Go to My Page". You can rejoin your battle at any time (unless someone else killed the raid boss if its raid) but you'll notice that your AP/Raid points are already consumed.

As soon as you started up a battle and you've entered it, those payments are as good as gone unless it fulfils both conditions shown below.
1. You're NOT the person who started the battle.
2. You haven't dealt a single point of damage to any enemies in the battle.

This is the reason why if you ended up joining a raid battle that someone else started and you forgot to attack or the boss got killed before you even managed to land a hit, all those Raid points that you first used before you enter got refunded back to you. It is also possible to help out with Andro/Cass on a Union member or a friend who is low on health or needs buffing/debuffing on the raid boss where you can heal/buff them while applying non-damaging debuffs like Sniper shot without spending a single raid point (Technically you need it to enter but it will be refunded).

But considering the fact that starting up raid battles fulfils condition 1 and no one can help you kill the boss to fulfil condition 2 for Advent battles, any raid entry materials or AP that you used WILL BE GONE as soon as you enter these fights.


TL;DR-
This game is not like other games (Eg: FKG) where you can quit/refresh browser cheat and retry a fight until you win.
Because those games consume your entry requirements AFTER the fight and not before.
^(Sure games like FKG have a countermeasure to prevent excessive abuse where the third time you try, it will consume AP upon entering the battle instead, until the penalty cooldown refreshes in 1-2 hours.)

Originally Posted by Inb4whales

I'm pretty sure that you can NOT do that for Ragnarok.

Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong but based on my analysis, here is how the game works.

Whenever you start up a fight you have to pay for the requirements first. This means you either pay AP points, raid battle points, Raid event items (in case of events) or in this case, the 1 Ragna raid battle point that refreshes itself every day at login hours.

As soon as you started up a battle and you've entered it, those payments are as good as gone unless it fulfils both conditions shown below.
1. You're NOT the person who started the battle.
2. You haven't dealt a single point of damage to any enemies in the battle.

This is the reason why if you ended up joining a raid battle that someone else started and you forgot to attack or the boss got killed before you even managed to land a hit, all those Raid points that you first used before you enter got refunded back to you. It is also possible to help out with Andro/Cass on a Union member or a friend who is low on health or needs buffing/debuffing on the raid boss where you can heal/buff them while applying non-damaging debuffs like Sniper shot without spending a single raid point (Technically you need it to enter but it will be refunded).

But considering the fact that starting up raid battles fulfils condition 1 and no one can help you kill the boss to fulfil condition 2 for Advent battles, any raid entry materials or AP that you used WILL BE GONE as soon as you enter these fights.

k well i'm almost certain i did it before.. i quit the battle before i died, and there was nothing saying i couldn't join it again .. sorry if i'm wrong
didn't say anything at all about cheating battles or w/e... i know that you can't just refresh and try again, cause it takes up AP... i'm ONLY referring to the ragnarok battle which cost 0 AP, so if it was possible, you could try again if you'd quit before you died completely and that counts as a loss rather than give up.