Thread: Debuff overwriting confirmed to be bugged in English version

i hope it didnt happen to the buff mechanics. since buffs will overlap alot especially in raid

Originally Posted by Rhenosa

i hope it didnt happen to the buff mechanics. since buffs will overlap alot especially in raid

Debuffs generally have stronger effects than buffs. And the potential for weak debuffs blocking stronger debuffs in Raids is much greater due to the large variety of same-type debuffs (that affect the entire Raid) and their ~10x longer duration.

How do we know if a debuff is stronger/weaker?

Is it the +/++ symbol?

What about some character like Tyr who only has * powered up?

It varies but ++ will most likely be better than +.

I say it varies since the game doesn't specify the exact values. You might find skills with 2 debuffs with the same/similar effect description but one is -12% and the other is -15%. You can find the values listed on the JP wiki.

http://xn--hckqz0e9cygq471ahu9b.xn--...8A%B9%E6%9E%9C

took me a while to understand google translate result... but I suppose I kinda get it...

Also I presume the debuff value stacks by straight addition (e.g. 10%+15%+15% = 40%)?

Debuffs generally fall into 5 types: A, B, C, eidolon/Burst effect, stacking (not many of these). Debuffs of different classes stack additively, while debuffs of the same class are supposed to apply the strongest one. Except we verified that this isn't the case; a weaker debuff will remain and be renewed if overwritten with a stronger one. The stronger debuff will be active for the turn that it was applied, but in the big scheme of things that doesn't really help.

Originally Posted by Shieun

took me a while to understand google translate result... but I suppose I kinda get it...

Also I presume the debuff value stacks by straight addition (e.g. 10%+15%+15% = 40%)?

Yes and caps at 50%

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Yes and caps at 50%

We have unconfirmed reports that this is not the case. Rather, debuffs appear to be currently uncapped, which will lead to a game-breaking bug when a certain kamihime is released in about a month, allowing a division by 0 to occur in the game formula (and thus infinite damage).

Originally Posted by Shieun

took me a while to understand google translate result... but I suppose I kinda get it...

Also I presume the debuff value stacks by straight addition (e.g. 10%+15%+15% = 40%)?

Yes they do stack by straight Addition, however not every debuff stacks. They have to be in different Classes or "Frames" as Google Translate says from the DMM Wiki.

Below is the link to the debuffs, just remove the enter between http and the actual address. Only way I can post links.

http
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Originally Posted by Shieun

took me a while to understand google translate result... but I suppose I kinda get it...

Also I presume the debuff value stacks by straight addition (e.g. 10%+15%+15% = 40%)?

Okay so debuffs have what are called "frames" (it's kind of a bad term, they're more like categories). Nergal's debuff and ambush are examples of A frame debuffs. You can only have 1 A frame debuff applied at a time. Sniper shot is an example of a B frame debuff. You can have 1 A frame and 1 B frame debuff applied simultaneously, and indeed they do stack by straight addition (say ambush - A frame 20% and sniper - B frame 20% would indeed be 20% + 20% = 40%).

However what we're saying here is not about that. It is about overwriting debuffs. Since you cannot have 2 A frame debuffs at the same time, if you apply a weak one and then you apply a stronger one, the stronger one should overwrite the weaker one. However that is not what is happening. The stronger debuff overwrites the weaker debuff but only for 1 turn. The next turn it goes back to the weaker debuff.