Thread: [Event 28] Crucible of Combat vs The Demon Envy (Union Event)

Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN

Just wondering if the SSR weapon is worth using.
I saved plenty of jewels trying to get osiris and failed, so i use andromeda/cassi in dark formation.
My grid have 2 defender weapon so i may replace on of them or one of the SR guns from raid boss.
But, is that weapon worth using to begin with?
My team is: cassi/andromeda, satan, hades, susanoo, ren and beelzebub+nyarla in sub

In general I'd value Pride weapons way above Assault (as long as you're not running something crazy like double healer + regen build or something). Also, after playing with +50% HP (skill level 20 + skill level 16 SSR Defenders + 20% from Eidolon), I have to say... wow. That HP gets you really far.

It does depend on content, but I'd say by default keep two Defenders on and also use the Pride weapon. For me, swapping one SSR Defender for a skill level 20 SSR Assault would be a 5% damage increase, which certainly is no minor thing. However, that would hurt my survival ability a lot. And using double Elemental Eidolons would be 12% damage increase, so that's where I'd first look for more damage.

SSR weapons are reliably better than SR weapons, regardless of the skill they come with. The stat difference alone is usually enough to mitigate the damage difference to 2-4%. After that, it's +2% damage (SR assault) vs. whatever bonus the SSR provides. Even if that's +8% HP (stacked with several HP buffs), it's still worth it.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

SSR weapons are reliably better than SR weapons, regardless of the skill they come with. The stat difference alone is usually enough to mitigate the damage difference to 2-4%. After that, it's +2% damage (SR assault) vs. whatever bonus the SSR provides. Even if that's +8% HP (stacked with several HP buffs), it's still worth it.

so in other words i should replace 1 of my dark gun for the axe for the difference in attack and also the skill will do the difference.

Originally Posted by Slashley

In general I'd value Pride weapons way above Assault (as long as you're not running something crazy like double healer + regen build or something). Also, after playing with +50% HP (skill level 20 + skill level 16 SSR Defenders + 20% from Eidolon), I have to say... wow. That HP gets you really far.

It does depend on content, but I'd say by default keep two Defenders on and also use the Pride weapon. For me, swapping one SSR Defender for a skill level 20 SSR Assault would be a 5% damage increase, which certainly is no minor thing. However, that would hurt my survival ability a lot. And using double Elemental Eidolons would be 12% damage increase, so that's where I'd first look for more damage.

so according to that, as i already have 2 defender weapons in my grid, then weapon that should replaced 1 of my dark guns for the pride axe?
also as we start to get weapons with 2 skills i guess they also can be counted as "defender" weapons, so i may replace my defender axe (or..another gun) for valentine's sword.

i'm not sure yet, but think i'll give up on using pride weapons in my water team, we'll get 2 of them in a row after frost so..sucks for me.
it's not as crazy team as you described, but if i can get ssr nike or aphrodite it may be a team that can be with high HP in most cases (aside of crazy stuff like accessory quest, guild order, ragnarok raid bosses etc..)

Correct me if i am wrong, but don't pride weapons give per skill level .5% attack and HP, and the lower your HP drop, you get additional flat % to attack?
basicly assault and defender in one.

i am referring to this table though.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ride_Skill.jpg

Is it just me, or does Envy have insane debuff resistance? I'm at 45 Debuff+ Grail buff, and fucker still sometimes resists debuffs.

Originally Posted by LeCrestfallen

Correct me if i am wrong, but don't pride weapons give per skill level .5% attack and HP, and the lower your HP drop, you get additional flat % to attack?
basicly assault and defender in one.

i am referring to this table though.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ride_Skill.jpg

No, Pride has the same .5% gain per skill level. However, their base Assault is 0% when at full health, compare to 6% to SSR Assault. But they very quickly gain that 6%. Namely, when you've lost one third of your HP, it's the same as an SSR Assault weapon. Below that? Pure free damage. That usually means that you when you need it, you do more damage, as your first full Burst tends to be after enemy Overdrive.

ah mixed up the weapons, the one with assault and defender was the sphinx mace, not the pride weapon.

I feel like Envy has slightly more debuff resistance than Pride or Wrath did, but debuffs still land the vast majority of the time without any aids. It's still at least an order of magnitude away from Lust's resistance.
Granted, certain things that are supposed to improve the rate of debuffs landing don't seem make much of a noticable improvement (Sphinx, I'm looking at you).