Thread: Accessory Quests

Originally Posted by Slashley

Sphinx, miss. Sphinx debuff was still up too.

There's actually no guarantee that Sphinx's debuff is as strong as Mordred's. While we assume it is, most eidolon effects are actually much weaker than the ones provided by Souls and SR+ characters.

And in fact, according to the JP wiki, Sphinx's skill is indeed weaker than Mordred's. Seems to have a lower accuracy too. So you rely on it at your own peril.

But no doubt elemental disadvantage provides a penalty to debuff accuracy as well. It was the combination of Thunder + Sphinx that did you in.

Such is life.

Also, Sphinx is weaker? I could've sworn I've used Mordred to overwrite it, AND the other way around. But I think Balor was stronger than Mordred... oh well. Sphinx is still a "free" Eidolon to use due to her very high statline. Bringing Mordred into randomland would probably not work out all too well, I need those second heals badly.

Second run was zero problems. Since 2/6 elements are bad to encounter for all non-Light/Dark teams, I suppose I'll encounter one-ish difficult stage this time. I swear to god if I get 2 or 3 tough ones, I'm going to... I'm going to... I'm going to shake my fist angrily at some random direction, because that's totally going to help!

Double posting because of testing.

So, I bullied poor Gluttony around a bit, and it seems that the order is indeed:
Balor > Mordred > Sphinx
Sphinx was able to overwrite Mordred's debuff 0/3 times. Note that this CAN be just extremely bad luck, as the Union affliction buff doesn't apply to Eidolons as far as I know. Mordred being able to overwrite Balor's debuff 0/3 times should be a done deal however, as I don't think it's possible for that to miss with 30 affliction buff + Balor's affliction buff already active.

I don't have Astraea so I can't test her.


In other news, my third run was Thunder, Thunder. And an unlucky one at that, since poor Belphegor got outright butchered right at the start. The mid-boss being Thunder didn't help either, and Sol bit the dust as well. She was focused quite heavily in Wave1 and low on health with no pots in sight. Anyway, with my team in shambles, I deduced that a wipe was inevitable against everything except Fire... ... and Fire was the third boss. Just barely inched a win there, thanks to Enkidu (my second sub-in) getting focused really hard for multiple turns and biting the dust just before Rage, allowed the resurrected Belphegor to apply her OP rage gauge down. I don't know if that run was overall lucky or unlucky, but I do know that that's the first time I ever see Andromeda's resurrect saving a wipe.

And yes, I did shake my fist into the general direction I assume the servers to be at.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Also, Sphinx is weaker? I could've sworn I've used Mordred to overwrite it, AND the other way around. But I think Balor was stronger than Mordred... oh well.

Regens of all strengths used to pseudo-overwrite each other. When it comes to status effects, there's no guarantee that a stronger one will block a weaker one.

So, I bullied poor Gluttony around a bit, and it seems that the order is indeed:
Balor > Mordred > Sphinx

Well, that's useful to know.

Wasn't Regen a bit of a special case? I think for everything else - even Charm - a weaker one would always just "miss". Not sure how Awakened Thor and Balor Paralyze interact though... hmm. Questions for later. Will probably test at Sloth.

Anyway, I did test debuff- while you were writing that~

I am the only person who cares about blogposting in this thread anymore, it seems. Oh well.

Anyway, since I lately finally perfected (*) my Thunder Grid and have 140% (**) total power, plus using Dartagnan is finally possible thanks to Gluttony Gun, I thought it'd be a good time to test how Thunder is meant to be played. ... well okay, it's not meant to be played like this just yet, but this will be THE thing in Mammon era, so might as well get used to it now, right?

Honestly? Lack of Mordred impacted the run far less than I expected. The gear and Sol carried hard, so who needs Blind/Charm/DoTs/Black Propaganda. This was my third run, first one was with Kirin and second with 55% Thunderbird. So a basic 40% Thunderbird test was required. On a sidenote, the Kirin run was funny, as I think poor boss would've died straight from Rage if I had remembered to buff up before Burst.

(*) Mastema Staff is "only" slvl16, and fuck wasting any more resources on that 1890 atk piece of garbage. That might change once Mastema gets her second reprint. I want to know what the secondary skill will be on the damn Staff.
(**) If you count Pride SSR as 6% base, which isn't technically true. Actual Assault value is 104% + Pride effect.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Honestly? Lack of Mordred impacted the run far less than I expected. The gear and Sol carried hard, so who needs Blind/Charm/DoTs/Black Propaganda.

You're relying heavily on elemental advantage here. Try running a Thunder team without Mordred on Monday against Thunder and we'll see how that goes. I suspect you'll eventually get a repeat of your Sunday run where debuffs miss at a crucial moment.

running them with andromeda as soul and Sol to boot. basicly just facetanking everything except last phase where i burst through the enrage with my dark grid. Tried it with joan and regen, but the overall healoutput was to low.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

You're relying heavily on elemental advantage here. --

Yup.

But well, Thunder doesn't really self-manage all that well just yet. Still months away from that.

According to multiple users, debuffs only have 2/3 duration in Accessory Quests (120s). That's why debuffs drop off unexpectedly, which is the cause of most of my wipes. Mob buffs however get the full 180s duration.