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    Quote Originally Posted by sanahtlig View Post
    So I ran the numbers, and to put this in perspective:
    Running a LV30 Vine, with a team that normally is capable of -40% DEF, increases damage nearly as much as running a +100% eidolon (on top of an existing +100% friend eidolon). She's THAT good. The debuff seems to have a pretty high accuracy rate too; probably higher than 70% given that it landed 4/4 times for me on Thunder element with Vicissitudes of Fortune.

    This must've been a way to rebalance the game after the ATK down debuff nerf. By providing all players with a means to end fights quicker, it compensated for taking away the ability to live forever.
    Snipe shot + amon debuff is 45% right? So it it still worth it to run vine?

    Remaining team is awakened susanoo, hades, sol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBobs View Post
    Snipe shot + amon debuff is 45% right? So it it still worth it to run vine?

    Remaining team is awakened susanoo, hades, sol.
    It's a 4% damage loss with a LV30 Vine when the debuff isn't up, and a 5% gain when it's up. So, it's more situational. Raising her to LV90 raises each of those by about 1%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanahtlig View Post
    It's a 4% damage loss with a LV30 Vine when the debuff isn't up, and a 5% gain when it's up. So, it's more situational. Raising her to LV90 raises each of those by about 1%.
    Thanks. I'll look into getting her in between events. I mostly just auto everything with my main dark team except for the 1 a day event apocs and light/dark accessories.

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    Since we're still unsure about the procrates, my Wind team is super crappy (for T4), so it takes a long time to beat Thunder quests. So I had 1+3 Vine's every time, and no Mordred.

    I had 10/12 successes, one resist was after Sphinx resist, one was when Sphinx was up.

    The success rate of Vine seems really good for an Eidolon debuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slashley View Post
    Since we're still unsure about the procrates, my Wind team is super crappy (for T4), so it takes a long time to beat Thunder quests. So I had 1+3 Vine's every time, and no Mordred.

    I had 10/12 successes, one resist was after Sphinx resist, one was when Sphinx was up.

    The success rate of Vine seems really good for an Eidolon debuff.
    I've noticed that Jorm and Yatagarasu never seem to miss their ATK debuffs with Mordred's affliction resist down applied. The accuracy rate on Vine's could be expected to be similar, especially since it seems much higher than the SR Gatcha eidolon's DEF down.
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    I just had a run from Hell. Fire > Thunder > Thunder as a Water team. I started the Thunder mid-boss with my Soul at 70 Burst (due to high damage in the previous wave), so I couldn't Burst right away, and one of my DEF debuffs misssed, so I ended up eating 2 Overdrives and losing one of my DEF debuffers. Then I go into the Final boss, and get so much lag (several seconds after each action) that my debuffs were falling off even with the fixed timer. Each of my debuffs were missing one-by-one over the course of... like 6-7 applications. Usually takes 2. Finally Black Propaganda missed during Rage and it looked like that might be it. I somehow STILL cleared it, but the battle took like 25min.

    I'm not even sure if I should try another run. That lag was serious sabotage.
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    The servers have been utter shit for the past few days.

    Still, being able to clear that at all is impressive. I just finished my Water grid, I wonder if I'd stand a chance against wave2 Thunder wave3 Thunder now...

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