Miracle ticket thread

[Slashley]

Amaterasu is already falling out of the meta if Uriel is not an option Fire Amon would be best.

Oh? Would you care to explain how so?
I still haven't seen the debuff immune content that the debuff doomsayers have been warning us about, so Amaterasu seems perfectly fine by me. At least, for now.

No, Elemental attack>Character Attack

This... isn't true. Character Atk and Elemental Atk are equally powerful, but you want more of the one you have less of. And if you're running with a Friend P2W Eidolons (which you will against any content that matters), an offensive Soul weapon (which you should) and elemental advantage (which you might), then Character > Elemental.

Furthermore Uriel will be out of the meta, mostly for fire bakas who can reach the 2mio cap.
If you think you wont hit the cap next year, then please just get Uriel.

Reaching even 1.3m is a stretch for non-whales... I don't see any way that you reasonably reach even 1.6m, outside of owning Belial yourself.

[Unregistered]

Reaching even 1.3m is a stretch for non-whales... I don't see any way that you reasonably reach even 1.6m, outside of owning Belial yourself.

I said a fire baka, which are mostly whales, who runs Ascalon+Mars spears in their grid and ofc Belial / Cerberus later.
For example I am already hitting my current 1.6 mio cap off-ele and my grid isn't even done.

For me Uriel will be useless later and I said if he isnt even near to hit the cap, he should get Uriel.

Why do you ignore some details, which I already explained?

[Slashley]

I said a fire baka, which are mostly whales, --
For example I am already hitting my current 1.6 mio cap off-ele and my grid isn't even done.
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Why do you ignore some details, which I already explained?

You live in a completely different reality from me it seems, that'd be why.

[Unregistered]

I said a fire baka, which are mostly whales, who runs Ascalon+Mars spears in their grid and ofc Belial / Cerberus later.
For example I am already hitting my current 1.6 mio cap off-ele and my grid isn't even done.

For me Uriel will be useless later and I said if he isnt even near to hit the cap, he should get Uriel.

Why do you ignore some details, which I already explained?

Pls don’t talk about whale meta when giving advice for a player that you are not know they are whale or not. And since when you had to whale to be allowed to main fire.

[KitKat]

Oh? Would you care to explain how so?
I still haven't seen the debuff immune content that the debuff doomsayers have been warning us about, so Amaterasu seems perfectly fine by me. At least, for now.

Ammy is falling out of the meta in the sense that someone with the ideal fire team already wont run her any more and there are better options coming out in the next few months.
Considering that i dont think its reasonable to recommend Amaterasu for MTing at this stage.

This... isn't true. Character Atk and Elemental Atk are equally powerful, but you want more of the one you have less of. And if you're running with a Friend P2W Eidolons (which you will against any content that matters), an offensive Soul weapon (which you should) and elemental advantage (which you might), then Character > Elemental.

I understand how ele/char attack works but Ele atk> Char atk eidos is still the general rule to follow , the situation you described doesnt change that.

[dreamlitz]

1. Would it be worth to spend eidolon orbs to buff Ctugha?

No, Elemental attack>Character Attack get Andramalech instead

This... isn't true. Character Atk and Elemental Atk are equally powerful, but you want more of the one you have less of. And if you're running with a Friend P2W Eidolons (which you will against any content that matters), an offensive Soul weapon (which you should) and elemental advantage (which you might), then Character > Elemental.

I wanted to point out that while Slashley's explanation is correct, KitKat's answer about not worth spending eidolon orbs on Cthugha is also generally the correct one for a different reason. That is Adramelech gives 45% elemental at MLB, while Cthugha only gives 40% char atk at MLB. Adramalech's atk stats are also much better than Cthugha. Cthugha also gives 20% HP so you might want that if you can't get your hp high enough to tank an OD or two.

For fire, usually ppl go for dps though, assuming your assault value is at least 117 (9 x SR disaster weapons) Adramelech comes out ahead in every conceivable scenario except the one Slashley pointed out, where you have friend Belial + soup weapon + elemental advantage, where Cthugha might come out ahead but only slightly.

[Slashley]

Ammy is falling out of the meta in the sense that someone with the ideal fire team already wont run her any more and there are better options coming out in the next few months.
Considering that i dont think its reasonable to recommend Amaterasu for MTing at this stage.

Oh? And would you care to explain this "ideal fire team" then?

I understand how ele/char attack works but Ele atk> Char atk eidos is still the general rule to follow , the situation you described doesnt change that.

You mean that in 99% of the cases when things matter... doesn't count somehow? Care to explain how on that one as well?

I wanted to point out that while Slashley's explanation is correct, KitKat's answer about not worth spending eidolon orbs on Cthugha is also generally the correct one for a different reason. That is Adramelech gives 45% elemental at MLB, while Cthugha only gives 40% char atk at MLB. Adramalech's atk stats are also much better than Cthugha. Cthugha also gives 20% HP so you might want that if you can't get your hp high enough to tank an OD or two.

For fire, usually ppl go for dps though, assuming your assault value is at least 117 (9 x SR disaster weapons) Adramelech comes out ahead in every conceivable scenario except the one Slashley pointed out, where you have friend Belial + soup weapon + elemental advantage, where Cthugha might come out ahead but only slightly.

You never want to use Orbs on Cthugha though, since Crom's Crotch has the same effect with WAY more stats. Good enough stats that you might not even regret it once she becomes available in Epic Quests. Maybe.

[dreamlitz]

You never want to use Orbs on Cthugha though, since Crom's Crotch has the same effect with WAY more stats. Good enough stats that you might not even regret it once she becomes available in Epic Quests. Maybe.

Nitpick, but Adramelech is also better than Crom Cruach in firepower. So, I guess we all agree that Cthugha sucks, 'cos there're better options, just which option is most suitable for OP...

[Ztzzpz]

Hi everyone, first post for me here.

Two questions: how to improve my line-up ? Which kami should i choose with my MT?
Here the teams

Wind:
Eidolon: Jabber lvl40
Soul: Hercules (starting to farm for shingen)
SSR: Azazael, Gaia (AW), Odin (AW), Titania (AW), Set, Isis
Line-up: Azazael, Gaia, Oberon, Set
I started a defense team and now i'm playing more offense. Do i need to get Cybele to replace Oberon? Or going to get Cu and switch burst build?

Fire:
Eidolon: Ifrit lvl40
Soul: Morgan
SSR : Sonsaku, Beelzebub EoH, Dakki, Amateratsu
Line-up: Same except i change Beelzebub for Themis
Love to play a rampage team, even if it's not the more efficient at the moment. I think i could improve it by taking Ares or Svarog but i'm not sure if it's a good move. Maybe fire Amon is a good one too but she's lacking of combo attack empowerment.

Water:
Eidolon: Fenrir lvl40
Soul: Shingen
SSR : Neptune, Cthulhu, Shiva, Lakshmi
Line-up: Neptune, Cthulhu, Gabriel, Shiva (just hit shiva and lakshmi, did'nt set my line-up yet)
Trying to make a burst party. I'm lacking of survivability so maybe pick an healer?

Thunder:
Eidolon: Huang lvl55
Soul: Hercule
SSR : Tyr (AW)
Line-up: Tyr, Baal, Cyclop, Nemesis
Not a strong team, dont think it's a good idea to spend my MT here.

Light:
Eidolon: Thunderbird lvl70 or Yule Goat lvl100
Soul: Hercule thinking to get Shingen
SSR : Sol(AW), Michael (AW), Eros, Artemis, Takemintaka, Tsukuyomi
Line-up: Takemi, Artemis, Sol, Michael
I got some strong hime recently and i didn't play light a lot since. I think it's maybe my strongest team but i need advices to set the line-up and maybe to spent the MT here. Maybe going for Tishtrya can be a good one? I'm thinking to farm for shingen's weapon instead of Herc.

Dark:
My wors team, only got SSR Chernobog so...

Thanks a lot for your anwsers.

[Zendo]

Below is a rant, you can skip it if you like up to the Bold part.

Lot of people have replied and based on that I can draw some conclusions. And I should probably create an accurate scenario of my current position and thoughts. So first of all, thank you to those who have replied. You have given me some insights. But lets start with some scenario thinking based on some arguments.

Lets say, hypothetically, that there is an early, mid & end game in Kamihime; I dont know where this ends nor begins.
Next up, assume that there are different tiers of Kamihime and they can be categorized as T1 through T5 ((T1 = Best - T5 = Worst) there probably should be more tiers, but this is for the sake of the argument). I think that creating a Tier list in such a way would be quite cool as it could be a collaborative effort by players!

For example a lot of people mentioned Amaterasu, I believe that we can all agree that Amaterasu holds extreme value Early through Mid and can easily be T1 or T2. Doesn't matter which she is for the sake of this argument. But that later on, her added value decreases compared to other Kamihime; that said she still holds value Im not discrediting that! She would probably Late be 1 or 2 Tiers lower than Early & Mid. I don't know exactly how much but I believe diminishing returns are the case. I believe this is due to two factors. First of all the healing cap and secondly debuf resistant bosses. Which some bosses are but not all! Let's move on with this in mind.

Personally I believe Im in the midgame.
Total Power: 35439 (Sol and Ryo-Oh are subs (Lvl 60), Fire Mammon isn't maxed yet, Svarog isnt awakened, Achilles equipped (300 SP from Heracles))
Weapon Grid: ATK: 15146, HP: 1070 (2 non fire weapons but they have the highest ATK/HP values, 4 SR fire weapons 3 of which are they raid spears)
Eidolon Grid: ATK: 6833, HP: 2757

Roster: Svarog, Hephaestus, Fire Mammon & Mars.

(as I was typing this I noticed dreamlitz mention assault value, no clue what that is D: If you can elaborate I'd appreciate it)

Im gonna go for Fire since I just adore the aesthetics and the waifu's. But when thats complete I'll focus on Light!

Now onto my question! Sorry it took a while since I expend a lot on stuff but I think it's important.

Given that my account is in the Midgame, thats my opinion at least, and that two scenario's can exist, non-debuff resistant bosses and debuff resistant bosses. Who should I pick for my MT. Ideally I'd like to create a 6-7 Kamihime roster and rotate them based on my needs.

As far as I'm aware Frey won't be in the MT after this one? Confirm/Deny?

Non-debuff resistant roster: Svarog, Mars, Vahagn/Frey, ?
Debuff resistant roster: Svarog, Fire Mammon, Vahagn, Frey.

Who should fill the ''?'' spot, personally I think Amaterasu as usually my Kamihime have 5-6k HP and her heal can still be valuable.

Some explanations below.

Now I think that the debuff resistant bosses exist, and might exist more in the future but thats for future MT; not the current one yet. Furthermore I can pick up Vahagn and Frey in future MT (which I plan on) and swap out Amaterasu and Mars.

Also I'd happily not take Uriel, if Frey is to some extent a substitute. When I came back from Uni I at one point considered muting the game whenever it was Uriel's turn so I could use her. But I'm really glad Frey can be a substitute, if thats accurate.

Special thanks to: Slashley, dreamlitz, KitKat and he who shan't be named the unregistered guest! (For their helpfull insights, this is really appreciated even though you guys disagree)