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  1. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by blubbergott View Post
    Mb, thought it was the same as the fire one. You'd still need ambush with Thanatos if you want to hit 50% (or cover A frame def down in another way). Doesn't really matter if you get 10% from res from satan, or 20% C frame from Thanatos. With satan you'd arguably need ambush less than with Thanatos (45% vs. 40%). So from a debuff perspective, it doesn't really matter. Satan is better at overdrive control, while Thanatos is better at burst generation. Kinda up to you which you prefer, but debuffs shouldn't really play a role in the decision here.
    Ah... My fault... totally forgot that Thanatos C-Frame is -20% Def down.
    Yes in the end you will need Ambush. However Satan's Debuf skill is A-Frame and Amubsh is also A-Frame... Therefore you can't use Ambush as a Ex-skill with Satan in your team.
    In the end both are actually good but I don't think the difference between -45%(Satan Awakened+D. Ama) and -50%(Thanatos+Ambush+D. Ama) is that enormous. So if you already have Satan, then there is no need to get Thanatos in my opinion.
    Well, it would be nice if Dark Amaterasu regeneration would also apply for all allies.
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  2. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN View Post
    i'm a little conflicted with mars as i'm not sure which kami to replace for her, i need brynhildr for her healling and also enma for the debuff as sshingen ex/ is ambush.
    but i can just replace raphael for light tsukuyomi and then along smiper shot and diana's def debuff reach the 50% cap?
    Right now probably Brynhildr / Ares depending on what you're doing. But since Ares will have her awakening soon the problem will show up again. The combo Mars + Amateratsu would be better for sure... But still, reaching the def cap is an upgrade, no matter what.

    Now about light, with Tsuku your team would be complete. I was doing all the content with my light team without any issue until now, but with Tsukuyomi (just got her with this miracle ticket) and -50% debuff it became really easy now. Her blind is also very strong and add to the already good light' staying power.
    Also she will fit in any build in the future (the only time Artemis is better is with Dart + relic weapon)
    I'm just switching between Michael and Raphael depending on the content and that's it (if you're only doing Dark event you'll more likely use Michael).

    So yeah, Tsuku is a go! go! for me. But maybe i'm biased, just as Blubbergott

  3. #173
    If I decided to buy a ticket, should I get Nike U or Water Raph? Or someone else?

    I currently have Sol, Cthulhu, SR Nike, and that's it. Not sure how I'd go about getting Belphegor or Triton as a (up to now) free player. As far as Souls go, I have Mordred and am very close to D'art. I'm level 47 so it's gonna take forever to get Joan D'arc.

    Nike's Def A debuff synergyzes well because I currently have Def B and Def C debuffs, but not A. The heal is always great but not crucial since I have Sol.

    Snow Raphael's overdrive reduction is always great but not crucial since I have Cthulhu and Mordred. Her 2nd ability seems good but I have no idea what it actually does. It buffs your team's defense for two turns, same as SR Nike? Her first ability is kinda pointless since I'm about to get Sniper Shot. And Mordred herself already has a backup B debuff on her first ability.

  4. #174

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asdef91 View Post
    -- Her 2nd ability seems good but I have no idea what it actually does.--
    It's a damage cut. I... guess you could say it's like a 60% Def buff, kinda. When compared to Nike's 12%, there's a massive difference.

    I'd probably go with Snow Raphael, just because you have Sol. That gives you -35% Def -50% Atk without considering Soul skills, so chances are you'll be using Mordred with Ambush.

    Notice that damage cuts stack properly, so one argument for Snow Raphael is that with Joan, you can reduce all damage taken by 70% for a turn. This effectively makes you immune to one Overdrive from a boss, which is really valuable.

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    The early Miracle ticket puts me in a bind, because now I have to choose between my Water and Wind team.

    Water: Cthulhu, Poseidon, Shiva. I currently run with Sol and Gabriel now, but SSR Nike would allow me to replace those two, boosting damage quite a bit. Unfortunately, I'd still need to run Sniper Shot. That sort of limits me to Mordred, though I could run Shingen and Sniper Shot for what could only be called a "Gamble Build".
    Wind: Gaia, Hastur, Cu Chulainn. I currently run with Oberon. I could replace Cu Chulainn or Oberon with Titania and run a Gamble Build, same as with Water, but the build won't really shine until I pick up SSR Cybele. It'd be neat for Raids I guess?

    Current plan is to roll 24k jewels and my hoard of tickets on SSR Cybele and hope I nab her, or something else useful. Otherwise I'll be stuck running an incomplete build for the next 4 months that won't be able to fully utilize Relic weapons.

    I also have Uriel, Sol, Raphael, but those teams aren't viable currently.
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  6. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by Slashley View Post
    It's a damage cut. I... guess you could say it's like a 60% Def buff, kinda. When compared to Nike's 12%, there's a massive difference.

    I'd probably go with Snow Raphael, just because you have Sol. That gives you -35% Def -50% Atk without considering Soul skills, so chances are you'll be using Mordred with Ambush.

    Notice that damage cuts stack properly, so one argument for Snow Raphael is that with Joan, you can reduce all damage taken by 70% for a turn. This effectively makes you immune to one Overdrive from a boss, which is really valuable.
    Ambush comes from Gawain which isn't necessary for any of my legendary Souls. Is it worth spending 200 SP on a single skill?

    I just realized D'art is 500 SP. I only have 200. Do I even need D'art at this point? If I do end up getting Raph I could just skip straight to Joan D'arc. Too bad I already wasted SP on D'art's pre-requisites.

    Is Mortred's first skill Outrage bad at high levels? Because right now farming Rahab on Expert, that skill is super sweet. Almost doubles my damage each turn.

  7. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac View Post
    Well, unless you wanna go full retarded with the overdrive mitigation with Dagon, but you don't need to.
    Throw Satan in there for a party!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asdef91 View Post
    Ambush comes from Gawain which isn't necessary for any of my legendary Souls. Is it worth spending 200 SP on a single skill?
    Gawain should be the first thing you pick up, so get on that immediately. Ambush is really good.

    For Souls, you'll generally want Gawain, Cass, Mordred, Joan/Dartagnan. Preferably in that order.
    Quote Originally Posted by Asdef91 View Post
    Is Mortred's first skill Outrage bad at high levels? Because right now farming Rahab on Expert, that skill is super sweet. Almost doubles my damage each turn.
    The DoTs? They're largely entirely ignorable at higher levels. Like each of my characters attacks for ~30k, and that's without elemental advantage.

    Outrage is always good because of Blind and Charm, though. And some builds can even make use out of the -10% B debuffs. Still, the main purpose of Mordred is the amazing debuff- and the very rare Black Propaganda.

  9. #179
    Someone please convince me to not pick Cthulhu with this miracle ticket.
    This is what i have.

    Fire - Acala

    Water - Snow Raphael, Unleashed Nike, Ea

    Wind - Awakened Gaia, Cu Chulainn, Azazel

    Thunder - Raiko, Thunder Michael, Brahma

    Dark - Osiris, Hades

    Light - Sol, Light Tsukuyomi

    I have pretty much all relevant SRs besides Diana and my most noteworthy eidolons are Fenrir with 2* for water and God Kaiser Dragoon as a sub which improves my light team by a considerable margin.

  10. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by MooShoes View Post
    Someone please convince me to not pick Cthulhu with this miracle ticket.
    Pick Amaterasu and use it in your Light and Dark teams and use Sol for your Fire team. That way you'd have 3 SSRs in each team, which is... good i guess? ... for some important reason

    Now that i think about it, that wouldn't even be all that terrible, since with her you could use Ambush in light, dark, wind, (thunder - though prob vs. water, so kinda meh) and fire obviously. All those teams currently lack that possibility, though Nyarla could compensate for dark and Oberon for wind.

    But ye.. in the end your best pick is about as straight forward as mine was. ^^

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