Miracle ticket thread

[Aidoru]

Unless you're planning to intentionally use the weaker Nyarlathotep for whatever reason, Hades is the only dark SSR with an A-frame atk down. Nyar being one of the only 2 SR and has a weaker debuff, the other one being a future release that requires a dot on the enemy for the atk down to even take effect.

It then doesn't help that every dark B-frame debuffer is time limited, making any player without one of them basically stuck with Joan+Sniper or Dart+Trial if you want some proper debuffs.

If your running raid related stuff, sure, do whatever you want but for anything that you can't get carried with, Hades is very important to have in a dark team, even without her awakening.

[Sora]

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Uh, no.
I guess you haven't done any rank 3-4 accessory quests yet? (If you do plan to main dark and use that for all elements)
In said quests, those trash mobs can start trolling u hard by double/triple atking one of your important himes and if you don't have any potions/super potions to fix that accident, then things can get ugly real quick.
(This could also apply to future hard content like guild order or tower of malice maybe)

I can somehow agree that Hades, while unawakened, is someone you don't need that much right now, but when she's awakened she gains a combo atk rate down that gets added to her death spear ability, which then can get applied to the mobs on the field and can prevent accidents like what I said earlier. Her chaos inferno also adds a "sleeping" move that has a chance to be applied to trash mobs, which is also useful if it hits

Sure, you can take Azathoth for her combo atk rate down but she has a longer CD usage. I'd rather take 2 combo atk rate downs and apply them to both wave 1 and 2 cuz I've experienced some ugly things happening in rank 3 accessory quests, and having 2 means the other one (most likely Hades) can also get applied to the last boss just in time.

I can do all Rank 3 quest with my dark team without problems. Rank 4 just light because I don't have enough damage to kill them faster.
However I have Dark Amaterasu in my team and seriously I don't need another defender/balance SSR Hime.
Yeah, I know she is limited!

Sleeping is actually useless... I have Hypnos and I already tried it out. Osiris dizziness skill is a lot better.

IMO Haded is just situational. She's definitely not bad enough to be benched, but certainly not good enough to be regularly deployed.
It also depends on your team.

Furthermore if you run Jeanne with Sniper-Shot or have a Dark Hime with B-frame attack down + Pluto = you have enough def + Vine you reach -50 attack down and you have two damage cut skills.
For people who don't have Hades.

IMO Hades isn't a MUST have Dark Hime but if you have her then it's good.
But there are also other options.

[AutoCrimson]

honestly i'd pick Hades over Osiris in MT, if i had to choose

[BlazeAlter]

However I have Dark Amaterasu in my team and seriously I don't need another defender/balance SSR Hime.

Yo just to clear things up, I'm not convincing you to get Hades and put her on your team lol. I just can't agree with your earlier statement that Hades isn't amazing even awakened. Not gonna brag or anything but Hades was a huge help to me during the medusa ragnarok because she can save me once from the petrify debuff. Sure, not all bosses have dangerous debuffs like that but she can still block some pesky debuffs like poison or cursed from enemies (which was also a nice help when I soloed baron's ragnarok so Osiris heals wouldnt go to waste)

Sleeping is actually useless... I have Hypnos and I already tried it out. Osiris dizziness skill is a lot better.

Well I haven't actually used a debuff like that before since I don't have Hypnos and I'm not gonna bother getting her either. How useless is it anyway? I'm curious though.
I mean the one for Hades awakening could be stronger but I can't say for sure since its not here yet on our version, all I can do is speculate but I'm not gonna rely on that either, just like I don't rely on Osiris dizzy skill even if it hits. I had that hit on some fights and sometimes it doesn't even work once. It's a nice touch that I like but not something I would rely on too much

Yeah, I know she is limited!

IMO Haded is just situational. She's definitely not bad enough to be benched, but certainly not good enough to be regularly deployed.

Furthermore if you run Jeanne with Sniper-Shot or have a Dark Hime with B-frame attack down + Pluto = you have enough def.
For people who don't have Hades.

IMO Hades isn't a MUST have Dark Hime but if you have her then it's good.

Still can't agree with your statement of her not being good enough to be regularly deployed, but well we all have our own opinions. I'll respect yours lol
and yes, since dark amat is a limited amazing SSR, not everyone would have the luxury that you do that would allow them to run different main souls, and as Aidoru said, most B frame debuffers of dark are kinda limited too (Lu bu is a good option but if a newbie wants to main dark they wont have her until her event returns)
and the def thing isn't Hades' main use, damage cut and def buff are 2 different things, and obviously you'd have more survivability and receive less damage if you have 2 damage cut abilities from joan and pluto

tl;dr
don't say Hades isn't that great for people who aren't in the same situation as you are (you having dark amaterasu and all, everyone who mains dark wants her too you know, but not everyone got her and everyone will be stuck waiting for her return next year). She's a good starting hime for dark that provides some basic needs and even more so when she gets her awakening

[Sora]

Yo just to clear things up, I'm not convincing you to get Hades and put her on your team lol. I just can't agree with your earlier statement that Hades isn't amazing even awakened. Not gonna brag or anything but Hades was a huge help to me during the medusa ragnarok because she can save me once from the petrify debuff. Sure, not all bosses have dangerous debuffs like that but she can still block some pesky debuffs like poison or cursed from enemies (which was also a nice help when I soloed baron's ragnarok so Osiris heals wouldnt go to waste)


Well I haven't actually used a debuff like that before since I don't have Hypnos and I'm not gonna bother getting her either. How useless is it anyway? I'm curious though.
I mean the one for Hades awakening could be stronger but I can't say for sure since its not here yet on our version, all I can do is speculate but I'm not gonna rely on that either, just like I don't rely on Osiris dizzy skill even if it hits. I had that hit on some fights and sometimes it doesn't even work once. It's a nice touch that I like but not something I would rely on too much



Still can't agree with your statement of her not being good enough to be regularly deployed, but well we all have our own opinions. I'll respect yours lol
and yes, since dark amat is a limited amazing SSR, not everyone would have the luxury that you do that would allow them to run different main souls, and as Aidoru said, most B frame debuffers of dark are kinda limited too (Lu bu is a good option but if a newbie wants to main dark they wont have her until her event returns)
and the def thing isn't Hades' main use, damage cut and def buff are 2 different things, and obviously you'd have more survivability and receive less damage if you have 2 damage cut abilities from joan and pluto

tl;dr
don't say Hades isn't that great for people who aren't in the same situation as you are (you having dark amaterasu and all, everyone who mains dark wants her too you know, but not everyone got her and everyone will be stuck waiting for her return next year). She's a good starting hime for dark that provides some basic needs and even more so when she gets her awakening

First of all I apologize for my statement about Hades.
She is good but imo not that awesome and yes, you are right she is a good starting hime for a dark team.

But I just wanted to say even if you don't have Dark Amaterasu or Hades. There is also the option to run Jeanne with Snipper Shot if the content is hard and you need attack down.

But everyone has a different opinion.
Even if I don't have dark Amaterasu I would choose Osiris/Satan/Thanatos/Pluto and next year Amon U upgraded over Hades. That's my opinion.
Later with Satan AW and her dark resistance down I think dizziness will work a lot better.

About sleeping:
If the moob wakes up sleeping automatically vanish in other words there is no CD for sleeping like blindness or dizziness.

[Tao]

As i came back on this game 3 days ago (and missed D ama) i didnt dig too much so i dont know what's her ability beside the b frame and a self heal if i remeber well, so everyone's talking about her as being core for her b frame, being the only Ssr one having it and if so , same goes with hades being the only ssr hime having an a frame atk so looks even even for me. Dont get me wrong i'd love to have D ama + i bet her skill set is amazing but same for hades set (all of her ability are good enough to be carried in a Mt) I did get Lu bu before my break so i still have somehow a b frame if i want more versality for my soul.

What i mean its dat you rely on your soul/ ex skill or an Sr hime to get the lacking proper debuff for both of them, both having a weaker version of the debuff in Sr hime (If i dont miss talk only nyarlohtep have the A frame debuff which is a 15% same as Lu bu B frame) While Joan is better than Dart and Nyarlo than Lu bu imo tho better have D ama for sure. (Just my own though and i'm not a veteran)

Now good new for me Pluto and Hades can pair very well together in fact

[Tao]

About Thanatos does she perform better than U amon once she'll get her up ?

[BlazeAlter]

First of all I apologize for my statement about Hades.
She is good but imo not that awesome and yes, you are right she is a good starting hime for a dark team.

But I just wanted to say even if you don't have Dark Amaterasu or Hades. There is also the option to run Jeanne with Snipper Shot if the content is hard and you need attack down.

But everyone has a different opinion.
Even if I don't have dark Amaterasu I would choose Osiris/Satan/Thanatos/Pluto and next year Amon U upgraded over Hades. That's my opinion.

About sleeping:
If the moob wakes up the debuff automatically vanish.

yeah, they could run joan with sniper shot, although that would make them sacrifice having black propaganda
Mordred w/ sniper shot paired with nyarlathotep sounds okay too, looking at it from a newbie's perspective

Yes that's true, I just really find it normal for Hades to be part of an average dark team build (based from what I've usually seen)

Oh, so sleeping is like a 1 turn paralyze or something?
(and well.. it is called sleeping so when the mob wakes up of course that will vanish lmao ;p)

edit: Also gonna add one more thing, some Soul EX skills have shit accuracy (like Ambush, even with VoF when fighting neutral elements it has that tendency to miss, meanwhile Amon U's can hit even without VoF on neutral elements except wind disaster)
Now I don't know if trial by jury has bad accuracy (I've experienced it missing from time to time for me during Icarus raid when I used joan), or if I'm just unlucky (even to the point that when joan's team combo atk buff seems to not work for her and only her teammates benefit from it, either that or she just hates me lol), but Hades atk down doesn't miss too much for me tbh (also deals a ton of damage)

[BlazeAlter]

About Thanatos does she perform better than U amon once she'll get her up ?

in my opinion she gets benched real fast once Amon U gets upgraded (and people also say AW satan is better than Thanatos). Because Thanatos only offers C frame 20% while Amon went from A frame 25% to AoE C frame 25% while offering a light atk down 15% which would help u reach the atk debuff cap against light enemies. Her raging nuke also went from 4.5 - 5.5x w/ 8CD to a 7 - 7.5x w/ 6CD which would allow u to use this more often than usual

[AutoCrimson]

putting B Frame from D'ama aside, she has BP (albeit with 10 turn cd instead of 8 from Mordred).
still i replaced Mordred with Arthur+PF/VoF (VoF quite rarely)