Miracle ticket thread

[Unregistered]

How frequent is frequent?
As far as I've seen, it's only very endgame stuff. Like Tower and Rag Disasters.

AQ6 is debuff resistant, very
few advents
dummy event v2
etc

btw AQ7 on the way

[Cobblemaniac]

1. What is the (solo?) content that players in the DMM version are striving to clear?

Solo content is actually pretty straightforward. Outside of your standard UEs, advents and raids, you add only AQ5 + 6 to the equation, and you add tower to the equation. For all content, hrags + guardian raids are the extra things to look out for. In short, everything, unless they play this game casually to begin with.

2. How does optimizing to clear this content improve a player's strength long-term?

I wouldn't think of it as optimising to clear a specific content. Rather, I frame it as optimising a team in general, and that means accounting for the worst thing that can happen. You have probably seen it in some fire setups, people are choosing to go yolo no debuffs simply because wirag gives the finger to debuffs. That's building around wirag yes, but at the same time since wirag is the hardest content to exist, being able to beat it (solo) usually means you steamroll other wind content no issue. Similarly, optimising to clear tower 15F presents a similar case where once you get to the point of being able to clear it, it's pretty safe to say you can clear most of other content with ease, because tower so far is the hardest solo content you can find.

And do note I specified 15F, because tower is quite frankly not just about the difficulty, but also about your micromanaging of girls to properly clear lower floors sandbagged for maximum gain, which is probably what nonsensei likes the most about tower. Basically, I take the hardest part of tower to prove my point.

3. What are the main focuses in the meta? Spike damage to get through a particular phase? Sustained damage to end a long fight more quickly (e.g., before a deathblow type of ability)? Certain defensive abilities? Are these focuses general-purpose, or would they be expected to become obsolete or marginalized in future content?

The meta actually doesn't change that much in terms of playstyle. Except you know, all that shit I've been giving on debuffs (which I'll further address in point 5). There isn't a specific answer if you were to take this from the perspective of fighting the boss since they have so many designs (a point I'll get to in point 7), so you rely determining your playstyle by element, since anyway that's exactly relying on what you have. A full breakdown of element playstyle is something I can't do myself considering I didn't invest much time playing in the DMM version yet however, so the only sources you have at the moment is the DMM wiki, as well as a few helpful DMM players that may be lurking around.

4. How valuable are healing, cleanse, and dispel and other general utility skills (from kamihime)?

In content where its effective, these will still be very, very applicable. Heal will still be used in long-lasting content that doesn't throw things at you designed to not be survived. Dispels still work in content where buffs are periodic, and really game changing. Cleanses still work where debuff spam is heavy, or potent. When these fail however, you can pretty much look at dps as the only other option.

5. How frequent is high debuff resistance?

To answer the question first, AQ6, tower, dummy event, and the future hrag raids (and guardians), basically future mainstay content. And a few oddballs like Icarus GO. How much? Not completely immune, but basically if you were to bring a loadout of 50% atk and def break... you'll probably land like, 10% atk and def break each on average. Can you actually hit the debuff cap? Certainly, why not, it's RNG and RNG sometimes favours you. Is it practical? I like to say that if there's a 20% chance of it succeeding, it's 70% too low. That's not accounting for the content that doesn't resist, but instead punishes you for using debuff skills (e.g. Barong, both her raid and GO form).

So that is quite a sizeable portion of mainstay future content. When I say debuff is going to be off meta, this is what I mean. Debuff in current mainstay content? Sure, why not, no harm. Debuff in future content? You're gonna be selling your soul to the devil for only that to be reliable. This needs emphasis: I am not saying fuck debuffs as in don't use them. I am saying you need debuffs + something else that is really good.

6. How often will a typical player have to worry about hitting damage caps?

That... depends on how you define an average player. An average average player (meaning including the casuals) pretty much won't, and will struggle with low cap damage skills like Susanoo and SSArty, because let's face it, it's directly proportional to the time you invested in the grid. An average player that calls himself good however... well actually I haven't done the maths, so I won't comment.

7. Presumably elemental advantage is a current focus. How does this affect one's ability to clear content and one's efficiency at earning rewards?

Elemental advantage is a boon for reasons we have discussed before: doing more damage and doing less damage. An easy example to fall on is wirag... I'm sure you realise the pain of trying to clear that thing off element. Extend that pain to hrags, which you certainly won't be doing alone, and where farming is way less painful if you get MVP (drop rates of hrags are actually atrocious otherwise). A player running an advantage element team has a higher chance of getting the MVP over the player who doesn't for 2 reasons:

a. Snip
b. In cases of some elements raids, the advantage elements against these raids also have team designs that counter the raid style hard.

[Slashley]

Why not bother to divide sanahtlig's post so that the question is right above the answer, my god that's a pain to read since you need to go back up for every paragraph to check the question before you come back for the answer.

Anyway.

mainstay
/ˈmeɪnsteɪ/
noun
a stay which extends from the maintop to the foot of the foremast of a sailing ship.
someone or something on which something else is based or relies.

What.

Would you mind explain what you meant by "mainstay content"?

[Cobblemaniac]

Why not bother to divide sanahtlig's post so that the question is right above the answer, my god that's a pain to read since you need to go back up for every paragraph to check the question before you come back for the answer.

Anyway.What.

Would you mind explain what you meant by "mainstay content"?

Content that doesn't expire like events.

You know, like AQ, disasters and catastrophes.

Also, the segmenting slipped my mind. Time to go into editing hell.

[MagicSpice]

Content that doesn't expire like events.

You know, like AQ, disasters and catastrophes.

Also, the segmenting slipped my mind. Time to go into editing hell.

eventually add epic quests to that but they'll have difficulty around the same level as ults on advent events or possibly weaker.


all epic quests do anyway is to get you event raid stuff you may have missed.... but it does open up more eidolon orb farming when it comes...


technically, GO doesn't expire either, but it does shift every week...

[nonsensei]

eventually add epic quests to that but they'll have difficulty around the same level as ults on advent events or possibly weaker.


all epic quests do anyway is to get you event raid stuff you may have missed.... but it does open up more eidolon orb farming when it comes...


technically, GO doesn't expire either, but it does shift every week...

Epic quests are basically one punch farm spots. You just use a nuke & it's dead.

[MagicSpice]

Epic quests are basically one punch farm spots. You just use a nuke & it's dead.

so what, expert difficulty content then?


easy eidolon orbs then i guess... (unless the drop rate for eidolons is low) Event SSR are 150 a copy.

[Cobblemaniac]

eventually add epic quests to that but they'll have difficulty around the same level as ults on advent events or possibly weaker.


all epic quests do anyway is to get you event raid stuff you may have missed.... but it does open up more eidolon orb farming when it comes...


technically, GO doesn't expire either, but it does shift every week...

Sure, my list wasn’t meant to be exhaustive.

[sanahtlig]

Elemental advantage is a boon for reasons we have discussed before: doing more damage and doing less damage. An easy example to fall on is wirag... I'm sure you realise the pain of trying to clear that thing off element. Extend that pain to hrags, which you certainly won't be doing alone, and where farming is way less painful if you get MVP (drop rates of hrags are actually atrocious otherwise).

This is a good post and I don't have much to add/question, so I'll just respond to this point. An optimized build was required to clear the Wind Catastrophe, and this has been an ongoing theme in Guild Orders as well. Elemental advantage trivializes content so that it can be cleared without much forethought. Meanwhile, without elemental advantage you need prepared counters. Your base Burst damage will often be insufficient to knock a boss out of rage in 1 turn, so you need a way to boost your spike damage or endure the hard hits. This just gets amplified when debuffs can't be landed. I needed a build optimized for 3-turn damage to avoid the Rage overdrive in the Wind Catastrophe, and without Gaia even the normal overdrive would be lethal. Once I had those pieces in place the fight was actually easier than the Water Catastrophe, which seems to have more that can go wrong. Presumably future content will also have attacks that cannot be endured without high levels of damage cut and elemental resistance (which could be summarized as "damage resistance") that are difficult to achieve without specific abilities from kamihime of the advantaged element and the respective Kaiser Dragons.

As for competing with other players for rewards... well, the winner will always be those who invest the most time and money. I've given up on being competitive in that sense, as I have neither unlimited time nor funds. But yes, elemental advantage will undoubtedly give you an edge there, though it's only one of many factors.

[tidalwake]

Ok so I am torn on what Kami to get. I main my light team but I have been working on Fire on the side.

My light team is below, grid is around 55,000
Soul: D'art w/ hp weapon
Diana
Michael
Eros
Sol (AW)

Eido is a 3* thunderbird. Considering either Light Tsuki or SSR Art but I don't know which would fit better long term.

My fire team consists of the kami below, grid is weaker at 46,000 but I have Belial to help
Soul: Herc w/ axe
Uriel
Ares
Dakki
Summer Sol

Also have Ama and some other mid level SSRs. Would Svarog or Mars make a bigger impact than one of the two above on my light team? Just torn on where to go from here.