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You'd run with 0 debuffs?

You still need debuffs for solo content?

Wasting one MT for a KH just for a SS replace is BS.
Next MT you can get the strongest fire Unit => Fire Freyr
She has 30% fire RST down, she is faster than Uriel, can hit cap too and does way more spike dmg.

Obv Amaterasu looks really garbage in comparison
You'd have 50 def down, but you'd have a slowpoke, and debuffs aren't even necessary, the 30 down is a bonus with Frey anyway
considering that Frey is just a god tier unit in general.

Furthermore Cerberus has a guaranteed 15% def down which means you would already have 45% def down if you use Fire Freyr and a Cerberus support.

Therefore use your current MT for Svarog, Uriel or Fire Amon.
Any of those 3 paired with Fire Freyr is already solid

And tbh if you need debuffs get Hercules and run SS.
you are better off to run Fire Amon than Amaterasu.

Anyway if you guys are sane then don't waste a MT for a useless unit which will become completly useless soon.

[Zendo]

I probably should not get in on this but why not.

You still need debuffs for solo content?

I, the person who asked for advice, do ye. Very much so, my account isn't nearly as strong as yours. As other players kindly pointed out I'm in the early game. Debuffs matter for me, that being said it doesn't help versus debuff resistant bosses; then brute force is the way.

Next MT you can get the strongest fire Unit => Fire Freyr
She has 30% fire RST down, she is faster than Uriel, can hit cap too and does way more spike dmg.

This answers my question if Frey becomes available next MT, so thank you!

Also glad to hear I don't have to pick up Uriel and can get Frey instead.

Obv Amaterasu looks really garbage in comparison
You'd have 50 def down, but you'd have a slowpoke, and debuffs aren't even necessary, the 30 down is a bonus with Frey anyway
considering that Frey is just a god tier unit in general.

Three things:

1. I believe that Amaterasu and Frey are incomparable to some extent. They serve different purposes and Amaterasu holds different utility alongside different stages of the game. She suffers from diminishing returns the further you advance in the game.
2. I believe that for me Amaterasu holds more value than to you. Simply because we are in different stages of the game. I still value healing when my Kamihime have 6k HP on average. That being said, I understand that healing isn't always necessary. Here I like to draw on what dreamlitz said earlier and I agree with.
3. I believe Amaterasu is a slowpoke late game and when debuffs don't matter as much. So, in your situation. I still rely on my precious debuffs D:

then you decide what you need most for a given encounter

That it is nice to have the option to swap certain Kamihime out based on your needs. Amaterasu has healing, if I need healing I need Amaterasu (I have Sol so I can potentially use her, as using a MT to substitute might be a waste).

Amaterasu is beginner friendly, Im a beginner. So she holds value, but her value diminishes as I progress and Amon retains her value. I understand that point.

Therefore use your current MT for Svarog, Uriel or Fire Amon.

U mentioned earlier that Uriel can be replaced by Frey, therefore this MT (for me specifically) Amon holds more value.

This is a 25% damage increase, which means that the other four characters are basically covering up for Amaterasu's lack of offensive output already.

The way I understand it is: ATK gets buffs from several INDIVIDUAL modifiers, Character ATK/Elemental ATK, debuffs increase all that damage by 25%. Therefore it holds value in non-debuff resistant/immune bosses. But I can also see their point, because THEY have insane DAMAGE. I DONT, therefore I value debuffs! And struggle against debuff resistant bosses because I lack damage. Both of you have points but in different scenario's.

(and I guess Fire Frey too, though I haven't looked her up)

Her burst gauge is twice as big, 30% resistance down but consumes a flat 50 (I think, the wiki didnt mention a %) of burst gauge, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY: she is a transformer!!! She is the true Last Knight (movie reference)

However - that doesn't mean that you should underestimate just how damn good Amaterasu is. Yes, she NEEDS content where she can apply her debuffs to work. But in debuffable content, she continues to complete Fire. She is an option for all those who already have Uriel and Svarog, and damn it

+1

Heck no Im skipping the loli with the annoying voice and getting Frey/Vahagn next MT; but thats next MT!

This MT is either Amaterasu or Amon for me at least. Im in the early game so I believe Amaterasu holds significant value, but if I need healing I can sub her for Sol potentially if I pick Amon. I don't know its hard to decide which is better. Mainly because Amon is wearing a maid outfit. I wanna waifu this MT really bad, plus a lot of people say she is valuable later on. But I need healing grrr.

[Slashley]

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This MT is either Amaterasu or Amon for me at least. Im in the early game so I believe Amaterasu holds significant value, but if I need healing I can sub her for Sol potentially if I pick Amon. I don't know its hard to decide which is better. Mainly because Amon is wearing a maid outfit. I wanna waifu this MT really bad, plus a lot of people say she is valuable later on. But I need healing grrr.

Notice that healing is certainly something you won't need long term - in a couple of months maybe, even. Amaterasu is a bad healer (heals less per turn than SR Brynhildr), but more importantly, she REDUCES the amount of damage you take. Against normal attacks (because yes, they matter, especially when enemies Combo) her Blind is a life saver. Against Overdrives, her -20% Atk and Def up will take the brunt off the hit.

So uh, tl;dr; don't mistake Amaterasu for a healer - she mitigates more than what she heals. I don't know if that difference actually matters all that much, but just for the record~~

As for Fire Amon, she will supposedly be good for a long, long time. Personally, I'm not sure. It feels like everyone is assuming that Fire Amon users also have 2-Star Echida, in which case yes, she's a beast. She's still very good even without (and has that fabled +20 burst to all I see, plus is a Full Burst buffer which is highly valued for end-game), but I wouldn't call her Svarog/Uriel tier.

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Notice that healing is certainly something you won't need long term - in a couple of months maybe, even. Amaterasu is a bad healer (heals less per turn than SR Brynhildr), but more importantly, she REDUCES the amount of damage you take. Against normal attacks (because yes, they matter, especially when enemies Combo) her Blind is a life saver. Against Overdrives, her -20% Atk and Def up will take the brunt off the hit.

So uh, tl;dr; don't mistake Amaterasu for a healer - she mitigates more than what she heals. I don't know if that difference actually matters all that much, but just for the record~~

As for Fire Amon, she will supposedly be good for a long, long time. Personally, I'm not sure. It feels like everyone is assuming that Fire Amon users also have 2-Star Echida, in which case yes, she's a beast. She's still very good even without (and has that fabled +20 burst to all I see, plus is a Full Burst buffer which is highly valued for end-game), but I wouldn't call her Svarog/Uriel tier.

Don’t compare Amon with Uriel and Svarog, they do different things, Amon with her 20% assault and 50% ele buff increase the FB dmg by ~30%. And her 20% party BG is fucking amazing because you don’t have to rely on shitty Shingen’s combo rate in the first cycle. The 20% cut is a nice bonus too

[KTA]

Don’t compare Amon with Uriel and Svarog, they do different things, Amon with her 20% assault and 50% ele buff increase the FB dmg by ~30%. And her 20% party BG is fucking amazing because you don’t have to rely on shitty Shingen’s combo rate in the first cycle. The 20% cut is a nice bonus too

^ this. I won't comment on those numbers, but Uri is a main attacker, while Svarog is for slow ramp up damage. The point of Amon is to accelerate the team to critical mass. The nuke damage is just a bonus; her main role is to act as a bridge between normal and PF FB's. Her weakness is that she doesn't have any personal BG up steroids, but we're talking about Fire, almost all the other good units accelerate themselves, hence why letting her be the slowest member is ideal. Her worth is without question, and she's already a core fire unit to veteran fire mains.

[Dejnov]

So I was waiting to spend my jewels on rolling Lugh and no dice. I did end up with Dian Cecht instead!

Since there isn't a Light Hime I'm interested in MTixing, I'm looking for some help with my Fire or Thunder teams.

My current Fire team is Amaterasu, Prometheus, Sonsaku Sheren, and Brynhildr (SR) with Agni (SR) and Eligos (SR) in sub.

My current Thunder team is Mammon, Dian Cecht, Azrael (SR), and Cyclops (SR) with Gryla (SR) and Nemesis (SR) in sub.


Any great SSR choices for either Fire or Thunder (with a Lance would be super helpful, but not a priority)?


Dejnov.

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[Slashley]

My current Fire team is Amaterasu, Prometheus, Sonsaku Sheren, and Brynhildr (SR) with Agni (SR) and Eligos (SR) in sub.

My current Thunder team is Mammon, Dian Cecht, Azrael (SR), and Cyclops (SR) with Gryla (SR) and Nemesis (SR) in sub.--

As always, the answer for Fire is Svarog/Uriel.

For Thunder, either SSR Baal or Raiko. If you're looking for Lances in Thunder, I think Baal can provide...? Not sure.