Thread: [Event 32] Crucible of Combat vs The Demon Gluttony (Union Event)

Originally Posted by Coconut

I'm in a similar position, but it's for an alt that currently has 16k jewels, Gaia, and Titania. The way I see it is a bit like shopping for a computer - there's always something better coming. In this case, rolling for Seth gives you a shot at Seth, Cybele, Hraesvelg and Hastur, but rolling for Cybele only gives you a shot at 3/4 (but with an appearance bonus). And if your rolls are duds, or you get good rolls but for a different element, then you might've been misdirecting your farming.

So I'm a bit tempted to roll for Hastur, knowing that I'll have more jewels when Cybele releases. Is this wrong?

This is a mathematical problem with an optimal solution. More options for 'hits' doesn't necessarily equal better odds, as inbetween Cybele and Seth are kamihime of other elements, which can be considered 'misses'. So if the number of misses added is proportionally greater than the number of hits, you're better off rolling earlier.

You can actually calculate all this using the Gatcha calculator in my Toolbox.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

This is a mathematical problem with an optimal solution. More options for 'hits' doesn't necessarily equal better odds, as inbetween Cybele and Seth are kamihime of other elements, which can be considered 'misses'. So if the number of misses added is proportionally greater than the number of hits, you're better off rolling earlier.

You can actually calculate all this using the Gatcha calculator in my Toolbox.

Okay, so if I used the correct data...

Desired - odds:
Hastur only - 0.047/chain
Hastur, Cybele, Hraesvelg - 0.057/chain
Seth, Cybele, Hastur, Hreaesvelg - 0.046/chain

Leventale would probably put Gaia on his desired lists and so would have different results.

Originally Posted by Coconut

Okay, so if I used the correct data...

Desired - odds:
Hastur only - 0.047/chain
Hastur, Cybele, Hraesvelg - 0.057/chain
Seth, Cybele, Hastur, Hreaesvelg - 0.046/chain

Leventale would probably put Gaia on his desired lists and so would have different results.

One wrinkle in this is that the calculator assumes that all characters in the same rarity+category tier (i.e., SSR eidolons) have the same base draw rate. With the +100% eidolons, this assumption probably does not hold true; the draw rate for these (assuming you've landed an SSR eidolon) is probably much lower than 1/(total number of SSR eidolons). The draw rate penalty may be as large as an additional 1/5 or 1/10. I currently have no reliable data to estimate the exact penalty, however.

In short, don't include +100% eidolons as a 'hit' or 'miss' if you want a valid result from the calculator. They can only be validly compared amongst themselves right now.

It's a shame there are no miracle tickets for Eidos.

Ithaqua's eyes...

Hey guys,


New player. Been playing about a week maybe? Could anyone give me a quick rundown of what I should be doing during this event, and how I would best be put to use helping my union with my currently limited strength? Like I understand the general gist of the event, but without any serious power behind me, what should I, personally, be doing to make the best out of it?

Originally Posted by Iverna

Hey guys,


New player. Been playing about a week maybe? Could anyone give me a quick rundown of what I should be doing during this event, and how I would best be put to use helping my union with my currently limited strength? Like I understand the general gist of the event, but without any serious power behind me, what should I, personally, be doing to make the best out of it?

Farm lower level demon experts (after the daily resets each day). They'll be the easiest after the daily resets since they'll still be low lvls then, and it'd be a good way to help your union when you're brand new. Also farm lilims daily for the grails - you likely won't be able to complete them yourself but since they are raids, you can share them out to everyone and have others assist you eventually. That's probably about the best you can do, in your case at least.

I recorded another auto battle with my wind team!

Forgot to remove Chaos Magic from Mordred, as it wasn't needed, but whatever, it wouldn't have changed the outcome anyways.

As expected, the normal overdrive of expert demon is kind of drain, aka HP depends on damage dealt.
Used awakened gaia's skill to cover for allies, she took 0 damage ofc and the the demon also recovered 0 HP.

Is it just me, or are the fodder drops up a fair bit?
I haven't had much time for Demon since I've fought Lilims, but the few times I fought Ult Demon it wasn't just a crapfest of T3 Crystals.

Originally Posted by JStar

I recorded another auto battle with my wind team!--

Why bother with Expert Lilim...?
You're basically paying ~1.6x AP for ~1.75x rewards (based on my impressions anyway, I have no hard data), and you need like ten times the effort.