Thread: some questions about weapon skill enhancement

Those 210 points from 1 s.lvl 6 SR? You spent 15 R's when you could've spent 13 R's (1 s.lvl 4 SR + 7 R's). Alternatively, if you have way too many SRs lying around, you could use 2 s.lvl 3 SRs (requiring 6 R's).
The reason you stop at s.lvl 4 for SR is that to hit 5 (and thus gain 35 more points out of it), you need to put in 40 points. So it's a net loss of 5 points/half a R. Lv 5 to 6 is eating 50 points to get out 35, for a net loss of 15 points/one and a half R's.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

for instance, SLv6 on an SR is worth 21 R weapons, and takes 15 to get that far... I can't call that a waste...

How is this not a waste when you could've just stopped at 4 and gotten 14 Rs worth for 6 (+8) instead of 21 Rs worth for 15 (+6)?

It's really not that difficult, just stop enhancing once it costs more than (or the same) you get out of it. Going further is a complete waste. I don't quite see how optimizing will be any different for FLB. If X is the amount of Rs you need for a level, then just use X/14 SRs and X mod 14 Rs and if you wanna save on SRs, then just use X/14 - 1 SRs for every X mod 14 < 4 (6 if X = 20) and add 14 Rs instead. Really just gotta know basic addition and multiplication and how many Rs each weapon/grail is worth.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

SR grails might as well be taken to lv 5 though. The 160 points from a lv 4 can be replicated through lv 3 R grail and lv 3 SR. Or a lv 4 SR + 2 Rs if you're running out of the R grails.

So when I wrote this, I thought that SR grails were 40 points each for some reason. To correct myself, it's 200 points from a lv 4 SR grail. It's not really worthwhile to try to replicate it (specifically for SSR lv 10->11) through other means. Although for SSR lv 11->12, whether 1 lv 4 SR grail + 2 R's or 2 lv 3 SRs + 1 R is the way to go probably comes down to supply.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

but for an SLv8, it's worth 28 R weapons, but takes 28 R weapons to get that far. as fodder, this is where it starts becoming a waste of time and you should just fuse R weapons together to save time and trouble.

but when you factor in fusing R into R, then it's more complicated. 4 R will make another R weapon to skill lv 4... at that point you wasted an R weapon cause 5 total (the 4 used and the 1 as a base) were used altogether. only R grails benefit at this point.

also, i think I heard SSR grail is worth 50 R weapons, but I'm not sure on that... considering Drag eyes are the only way to get that basically... doubt anyone uses it anytime soon...

I think you might be confusing marginal benefit with total cost vs benefit. If I compare Lvl 5 SR weapon to a lvl 1 SR weapon +1+2+3+4 R weapons, its a net positive in terms of skill enhancement, but that's the wrong comparison. Instead I should compare a Lvl 5 SR weapon with a level 4 SR weapon +4 R weapons. In that comparison the 2nd example wins since the the 4->5 SR enhancement only adds 3.5 skill points and costs 1 x 4 R =4 skill points.

I don't see the point in ever enhancing the wep skill of R weapons. It will always cost at least one R weapon (1 skill point) and never yield more than 1 skill point on the enhanced material.

Agreed, The SSR grail seems like a total waste of Draconic eyes. Eyes are super rare and there are easier ways to get skill enhancement materials.

To disclaim my own experience, I'm a total casual FTP at this game.

SSR grail's 400 points (or, 40 points by your scale), compared to the standard SSR's 350 points. So correct, it is never a good idea to expend eyes for the SSR grail. Especially when the most points you'll ever need for a skill level up is 580 (SSR lv 29->30). As well as the fact that replicating those points through f2p ways isn't exactly hard.

from what i've looked up, it's this for the following... assuming you do the 10 multiplier

R- 10 pts
R grail- 20 pts
SR - 35 pts (so a lv4 SR is 140)
SR grail- 50 pts
SSR- 350 pts
SSR grail- 500 pts...


Lv 6 SR is worth 210 pts... but you spend 1 R to get from 1 to 2, 2 R, then 3, and so on... so it's 1+2+3+4+5= 15...

so i spent 150 pts to get 210... maybe by combining R into each other, this could have been cheaper, but that's still 60 less points I spent to match that SR... if you include the original SR value... that's still 185....

185 is less than 210 so it's not a waste, even if it's not optimal.

marginal costs is one thing, but it's not like you're pulling an SR from the gem gacha either...

No no no, you stop at lv 4 for the SR. Then just add 7 lv 1 R's. That's 210 points using 1 SR + 13 R's, instead of 1 SR + 15 R's.

And there's no reason to ever level a plain R.

Where are you getting 500 for SSR grail from? I'm looking at Jp wiki right now and it says 400.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

No no no, you stop at lv 4 for the SR. Then just add 7 lv 1 R's. That's 210 points using 1 SR + 13 R's, instead of 1 SR + 15 R's.

^ Pretty much this, how can you say that a skill lvl 6 SR is not a waste when you use 2 extra Rs compared to a skill lvl 4 SR + 7 Rs, you dont go min maxing stuff and then say "it's not a waste, even if it's not optimal", ofc its a waste you are wasting 2 Rs, theres no inbetween in maths, dont advice non optimal ways of skill lvling to others, if you dont mind about wasting mats, then you do you, but dont advice it to others.

Originally Posted by Ikki

^ Pretty much this, how can you say that a skill lvl 6 SR is not a waste when you use 2 extra Rs compared to a skill lvl 4 SR + 7 Rs, you dont go min maxing stuff and then say "it's not a waste, even if it's not optimal", ofc its a waste you are wasting 2 Rs, theres no inbetween in maths, dont advice non optimal ways of skill lvling to others, if you dont mind about wasting mats, then you do you, but dont advice it to others.

well, since you guys have the answers, you handle it then... i'm just walking away from this

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

well, since you guys have the answers, you handle it then... i'm just walking away from this

They're trying to help you >_<

SL4 SR is worth 140 points, SL5 SR is worth 175 points. R is 10 points.
It takes 4 rares to get an SL4 to SL5. You gain 35 points from that, but if you just used the 4 rares directly in enhancing you would gain 40 points. That's why levelling SR fodder past 4 is a waste - you would get more points from just using those rares on the weapon you're trying to raise.