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    Fire has good healers in Brynhildr and Summer Sol, Regen with a few SR's and Amaterasu as well as defense buffs, also you dont wanna use a debuffer soul, you either go (for this raid) with raw damage or Joan D'Arc to help you cover as well, if you lack the pieces there's still workarounds, not as effective, sure but better than block heading Debuffs against this raid.


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    Now that I think about it, maybe even Andromeda is good here if you lack some pieces.

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    The key to ez wind rag for fire is having dakki mainly cause of her wind rst up, along with her rampage (same ratio as beelz) which makes you push her phases faster and her drain gives a bit of sustain (her animation is a pita tho), cause as i said in my first post, since this rag is a bitch in terms of debuffs landing, you rely on dmg cuts and dakki is the only dmg cut fire has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    The key to ez wind rag for fire is having dakki mainly cause of her wind rst up, along with her rampage (same ratio as beelz) which makes you push her phases faster and her drain gives a bit of sustain (her animation is a pita tho), cause as i said in my first post, since this rag is a bitch in terms of debuffs landing, you rely on dmg cuts and dakki is the only dmg cut fire has.
    ugh... more reason to pull for her when i get the chance (she was one of the top 10 SSR votes)... already wanted her cause i LOVE fox girls.... (wolf girls too, which is why i'm glad i got fenrir)

    i'll get that damn fox eventually.... just wait...

    Quote Originally Posted by Neverbloom View Post
    Now that I think about it, maybe even Andromeda is good here if you lack some pieces.
    sadly, i only have brynhildr on that list you mentioned... so i'll need Joan or andromeda.... whoever is better if i run fire

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    The players clearing this solo appear to have access to exclusive advantages (otherwise known as bragging rights, the currency of the Internet):
    A Fire team with key SSRs that a typical veteran (that doesn't main Fire) won't have -> money and/or serendipity
    A maxed grid for Fire -> time/patience and/or serendipity
    The only element with a useful +100% eidolon for this fight -> this is actually unique to the Nutaku version's Catastrophe release-order

    If you have all of these, then you're now able to farm items for Wind a bit more effectively, which aren't even all that useful to Wind right now. You can get MVPs more easily, but you can't trade in the rewards these MVPs give you. I'm considering switching to Wind as primary, and I'm not all that bothered by not having the perfect farm team for this.

    What I am bothered by is the toxicity that's been seeping into these forums lately and tainting discussions more with each passing day. This is the sort of thing that rips communities apart. Undoubtedly most hardcore users play games like this for the community, but if this keeps up morale will sink and the useful people that serve as the glue are going to wander off. One way to solve this is to bring in moderators and have them to police the community if it can't police itself. That's how one community I was part of carved an island for itself in a sea of toxicity.
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    Those who seek to silence the voices of dissenting opinions when it comes to misguided notions, are the ones that people need to truly fear. In any truly open forum of discussion, the ones you should always be wary of are those who seek to silence voices that don't agree with theirs, or "police" it as they like to call it.
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    This is exactly the sort of toxicity I'm speaking of. If I'm the only one concerned by it, then so be it. It wouldn't be the first time I was the odd one out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverbloom View Post
    First things first, NO they are no requirements, my well uneducated fellow, you'd know this if you had a decent fire team, which you don't have--
    ... you do realize that only those who are very lucky happen to have a "decent fire team" at this point, right? I mean, with just one Miracle Ticket out, you can't really expect people to have more than 1-2 core Fire SSRs.

    As such, does gacha luck equal skill? I wouldn't really call that an argument.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverbloom View Post
    -- since you're a mono user.
    ... and what do you know? You're just guessing this because I said in another thread that I understand where Sanahtlig was coming from?

    Not that it matters, but you know, my Grids are:
    Thunder: 196/200 (140%)
    Water: 216/220 (150%)
    Wind: 180/220 (135% and leaving it there since I just wanted faster Thunder R4 Accessory quests)
    Fire: 116/200 (100% and will be maxed next in preparation for Lust)
    Dark: 112/240 (101%)
    Light: lolno/lolno

    And for the record, the lacking 4 slvls in both Thunder and Water are Defender SSRs which haven't had FLB yet on DMM. Before I commit resources on those, I want to know what will the secondary skill be. Defender weapons are kinda getting phased out by dual-skills, after all. Though that's a long, long, long time from now.

    Anyway.
    Is that what a mono-user looks like...? Yes? Oh. Okay then. My bad. I guess we just have a different definition of what a mono-user is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverbloom View Post
    Second you know we're talking here about the raid with extremely high affliction resistance, right?
    Then in which way shape or form is it a good idea to rely on Debuffs, my small fellow?
    Because, it is actually possible to land those debuffs. As such, what? Are you going to take Amaterasu off your team because her chance to land Blind/Def Down/Atk Down is lowered? I doubt it. You'll still want to bring debuffs, you'll still want to try using debuffs. And if you actually get a debuff to land - for the next 180s, you'll have a massive advantage.

    Thus, what is your actual counterargument? It's easy to fire shots, but if that's all you do, then you're not contributing to the discussion at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverbloom View Post
    Carry on linking the sanahtlig's encyclopedia inside his toolbox, that's the only thing you can do without shaming yourself.
    Misinformation is a bitch.
    I'm the one who runs that, you know? And I'm sure it's full of misinformation. I mean, I DID do it with Google translate rather than bothering with a zillion moonrunes by myself...
    Does that make it worthless? I don't think so. Misinformation is not really a bitch, but it should be corrected. And that requires actual discussion.
    Quote Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo View Post
    Those who seek to silence the voices of dissenting opinions when it comes to misguided notions, are the ones that people need to truly fear. In any truly open forum of discussion, the ones you should always be wary of are those who seek to silence voices that don't agree with theirs, or "police" it as they like to call it.
    While true, it is also true that there's been some members lately who are more interested in flinging insults without actually offering any kinds of arguments of alternative methods. This isn't grade school, and it doesn't need to be.

    Or by being passive aggressive, without contributing actual arguments to the discussion. That's high school level. It might be a step up, but really, we don't need that either. I'd like to think that we can do better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slashley View Post
    Misinformation is not really a bitch, but it should be corrected. And that requires actual discussion.While true, it is also true that there's been some members lately who are more interested in flinging insults without actually offering any kinds of arguments of alternative methods. This isn't grade school, and it doesn't need to be.
    This is the heart of what I'm concerned about. We can discuss mechanics and strategies and arrive at a consensus answer. A toxic environment is not so easily remedied.

    I'm not really all that interested in slugging it out with these people. That's just a waste of my time. What I want to know is if me and you are the only ones that care about this. If people besides you and me care, especially other regular members, we should probably make a separate topic and discuss this in more depth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanahtlig View Post
    This is the heart of what I'm concerned about. We can discuss mechanics and strategies and arrive at a consensus answer. A toxic environment is not so easily remedied.

    I'm not really all that interested in slugging it out with these people. That's just a waste of my time. What I want to know is if me and you are the only ones that care about this. If people besides you and me care, we should probably make a separate topic and discuss this in more depth.
    Probably not my place to talk considering I've only been in this community for a month or 2, but seeing there's been a crap ton of insults thrown around the forum for the past 2 days tells me this probably is gonna continue. Please, can we just take discussion civilly and not throw the "you're a shitbag wtf do you know" argument as easily just because there is a disagreement in opinion?

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