On persistent social toxicity in this forum

[Marigold]

As said before not by me but by other user, do your thing but don't advice in something you don't know with a speculative theory atleast don't if the topic isn't a discussion but a question.

Or you can just neglect this I guess lol.
I find your guide really opinionated but it's okay most of the time, where your content shine is in your calculator.

[sanahtlig]

I find your guide really opinionated but it's okay most of the time, where your content shine is in your calculator.

The calculators were my first project. But as it turned out, there was little interest in them because most people found them too hard to use. I and a few veterans used them, and that was about it.

I moved to guides because the sources in English were nearly content-less, and the most motivated individuals were sort of blindly trying to interpret the JP wiki using Google Translate.

Based on my survey, 50% of respondents use my guide heavily. Only 10% use my calculators. So it's pretty obvious where the interest is.

I am entitled to share my experiences and speculation on NEW AND UPCOMING CONTENT, even when they might not constitute an "optimal" strategy. I'm sort of baffled that I get treated differently, often with greater hostility and critical scrutiny, than a new user posting the same sorts of ideas. Why am I held to a different standard than others?

[Marigold]

I am entitled to share my experiences and speculation on NEW AND UPCOMING CONTENT, even when they might not constitute an "optimal" strategy. I'm sort of baffled that I get treated differently, often with greater hostility and critical scrutiny, than a new user posting the same sorts of ideas. Why am I held to a different standard than others?

Here's where I find some of your argument isn't as clever or mature as you may feel, or in the lesser side of things you aren't just paying attention or reading properly.

Yes, you CAN but that doesn't mean you SHOULD, not as you did earlier on on the other thread, not as you've done a few times now, not because you CAN speculate or give your personal opinion on something you SHOULD when the poster is asking for a concise strategy to go through, at least not in the same thread, and if you do make a disclaimer that it isn't a definitive way.

It's simple logic that if you are a veteran 2015 user, you answer to almost everything, you have even a guide on the game you'll be treated differently than an unregistered user with no reputation to speak of, your words hold more weight than theirs.

[sanahtlig]

Here's where I find some of your argument isn't as clever or mature as you may feel, or in the lesser side of things you aren't just paying attention or reading properly.

See, this is why I can't have discussions with you. You always attack the other side's credibility in a disagreement. You bully, demean, and aggressively attack others. To be honest, I don't think you belong here. But that's not my call. However, in my opinion, you are the poster-child of why this board needs moderation.

It's simple logic that if you are a veteran 2015 user

I don't even know what this means.

In any case, you just blew whatever good will I had towards you. I tried to extend an olive branch, but you slapped my hand away. Good day.

[Marigold]

Yet another post that reinforces my declarations, let other users that aren't your or my friends decide rather than doing it by yourself.

[artista]

See, this is why I can't have discussions with you. You always attack the other side's credibility in a disagreement. You bully, demean, and aggressively attack others. To be honest, I don't think you belong here. But that's not my call. However, in my opinion, you are the poster-child of why this board needs moderation.

Tell me, mods would censor that post?? I dont really see anything bad about his post and I feel you just overreact to everything.

[sanahtlig]

Tell me, mods would censor that post?? I dont really see anything bad about his post and I feel you just overreact to everything.

Here's a sampling of Neverbloom's previous posts, all in a 1-2 day span in the same topic:

You're retarded and even your old arguments with older forum members show it, now you're just being dumb for being dumb

Sanah, you're a bad player with a mediocre strategy, that's why you struggle here

There's no need for you to play victim because I called out your boyfriend who is as incompetent as you, man on.

If you can't understand this then you're a special snowflake bigot with an over inflated ego.

Moderators don't just exist to censor heated arguments into submission. They exist to remove repeat offenders who make the community less pleasant for everyone, when necessary. In my opinion, that's actually the more important function.

[Slashley]

Tell me, mods would censor that post?? --

At this point, it would be good to have a third party moderator. One that isn't involved in "this side" or "that side." Why do these arbitrary sides even exist... who defines them?
Anyway. Then those mods could make the call on is that permissable or not.

lolix seems to have a long, long history with HBC, and yet is fairly new on Kamihime side. Why not start there?

[Marigold]

Keyword is previous and also, there's this after post that you ignored as always for convenience, it doesn't come nearly close to you overreacting to my today's posts.

regardless of it; have a good one and maybe we both can learn from each other later, we were both wrong in our ways after all, you by sneaking your nose in something you don't understand and me by being unpolite and rude, cheers.

It's even on this thread rather than the old ones, to be fair I don't know know what you're trying to prove, that you're always right, that is okay to missinform players that have your opinion on a high standard, you maybe want absolute power over the board for an unknown reason?
All of this while discrediting that the other part already assumed his mistake, you just won't accept yours, I already apologized, a few other members also said that you both shouldn't do what you did but still, you both aren't backing down, now tell me who is wrong and who doesn't belong here.

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Moderators don't just exist to censor heated arguments into submission. They exist to remove repeat offenders who make the community less pleasant for everyone, when necessary. In my opinion, that's actually the more important function.

As someone said before, there wouldn't be a need for someone to explode in a manner of unpoliteness and rudeness like a few unregistered users, BakaHentai, Ikki or I did in the past if there was no trigger over it and two of those three timea the trigger was misinformation by a pair of special members that make this community the least pleasant to others when you give it as factual information when it doesn't even work for you.

If something this issues make the community unpleasant for you and what you personally want it to be, not the whole of us, since you don't want to help the community but something else, how do I assume this?
You just said it egotistically when regarding a player asking for a concise strategy:

I am entitled to share my experiences and speculation on NEW AND UPCOMING CONTENT, even when they might not constitute an "optimal" strategy.

Now again, let others decide rather than biasing your way and ignoring the better latter part and or the apologies and giving a bad impression with your one sided quotes.

[sanahtlig]

Do we have any other volunteers for moderators beside Laventale? I'd volunteer myself but I'm not in a position to adjudicate the current situation. It'd be ideal to have at least 3 to bring different perspectives and diffuse the workload to something that's manageable as a hobby and not as a job. Personally, I nominate Aidoru.