Consolidated Dark Team Topic

[QXZ]

Hi guys,

I want to create a thread focused around Dark Team to help other players running Dark as well as getting feedback if I am wrong. Most of the information here is based on Sanahtlig's Guide, modified for comments from other experienced players. I currently don't have a Dark team, so my knowledge is limited. I do plan to build a Dark team, so any corrections will be appreciated.

Dark Element
Dark element has high dmg but limited versatility. This means if you choose (or RNG choose for you) one path, there may be no turning back. Because of this, Dark is not very friendly to non-spending players.

Souls
Mordred - This is the go-to soul for most beginners. Valued for her Black Propaganda and debuffs from Outrage.

D'Art - Usually the 2nd Legendary soul. Valued for her Sniper Shot debuff.

Andromeda - Compensates for Dark's lack of healing - conditionally useful if you are skipping Osiris.

Hercules - Used for end game dmg build, alternative to Shingen

Morgan - Used for end game dmg build, relies on rampaging attacks

Shingen - Used for end game max burst build

Kamihime

Hades - Valued for her ATK debuff. She has no substitute, making her irreplaceable in Dark teams.

Osiris - Healer and burst meter buffer. She has no substitute. But some players go glass canon.

Satan or Amon - Valued for their DEF debuff. Since they are both A frame, pick one or the other. (Unconfirmed: Amon's debuff changes to C frame, allowing Satan AND Amon to be on the same team. ETA is March 2019.)

Dark Amaterasu - Best Dark Hime. But shes limited edition, so if you don't already have her, just move on.

WARNING: IF YOU DID NOT ROLL EITHER OF THE ABOVE, YOU SHOULD REROLL YOUR ACCOUNT OR CHOOSE A DIFFERENT ELEMENT! (unless you roll the 100% Dark Eido)
If you got 1 of them, buy a Miracle Ticket (when available) and get another hime from the list above.

If you got Osiris
Pluto - Dmg cut and burst bonus pairs well with Osiris

If you got Amon
Samael - Release in Dec 2018. She brings 25% elemental debuff, and therefore can not be used with Satan.

If you got Satan
Thanatos - Like Satan, shes a DATA attacker. She has the rare C frame DEF debuff.

Eidolons

Evil Kaiser Dragoon - Only use this as secondary eido. The 30% elemental buff combos well with Dark's focus on dmg.

Takemikazuchi, Sleipnir or Jack o Lantern - Allows (or greatly helps) you to run PF Burst builds without Shingen.

Popular Builds

Offensive Build - Any Soul + Hades / Satan or Amon / Osiris / Pluto (per Sanahtlig's Guide)
Generic dmg build. This setup requires Sniper shot to maintain high debuffs. Works well with Shingen for max burst.

Morgan Rampage Build - Morgan /w SS + Hades / Satan / Osiris / Thanatos
Both Satan and Thanatos benefit from Rampage.

[QXZ]

I am sticking this random post here instead of creating a new thread.

End Game++ Meta
By end game, I mean currently available highest level Nutaku content. End game+ means currently available highest level DMM content. End game++ means future content available in DMM - and hopefully Nutaku, thereafter. My discussion about end game++ is purely hypothetical.

The Money
DMM/Nutake are here to make money. The build that cost the most money is Elemental Advantage - a) having full SSR teams for each element, b) 60x full break, full slvl SSR wpns and c) 36x SSR eidos. This is the perfect set. And cost the most money to build. DMM/Nutaku want you to be here.

It then follows that Quad Element (Fire/Water/Thunder/Wind) makes the 2nd most money, Duo Element (ie Light/Dark) makes the 3rd most, Single Element 4th most and FTP makes the least.

When the game was first launched, even a team of maxed R himes can clear the highest content. This is good for building a player base and spread the word, but its bad for making money. Content then got a little harder. To clear max difficulty, you need at least a fully stacked Single Element team. It won't be long until even harder content gets released that requires Duo or Quad or EA teams. This is not only necessary to make money, but also keeping the game challenging and provide a money sink for whale spenders. The End Game++ will be all about Elemental Advantage. However, an intelligent game designer will not make this game into a "pay to win" for obvious reasons.

The Miracle
The Miracle ticket was an ingenious design. It fills the gap between whales that spend a lot of money and FTP players that spends no money. By spending a modest to moderate amount of cash, a player can remain practically competitive. And realistically, thats where DMM/Nutaku wants most players to be.

Players intending to rely on miracle tickets (and only miracle tickets) should begin with Single Element, then move on to Duo, and Quad. It also means that staying on Single Element for too long is BAD. Because a Dark Team with 8 SSR himes is always inferior to Light and Dark teams with 4 SSR each - as the 5th SSR hime will go into reserve and give you very little advantage.

The Trinity
In End Game++, most ppl should move onto multi element. To have an effective multi element team, the following himes are core to each element - per Sanahtlig's guide.

Trinity of Light - Sol / L Tsukuyomi / SSR Artemis
Trinity of Dark - Hades / Osiris / Satan or Amon
Trinity of Fire - Amaterasu / Mars / Svarog
Trinity of Water - Cthulhu / Snow Raphael / SSR Nike
Trinity of Thunder - Mammon / Raiko / Athena
Trinity of Wind - SSR Cybele / Hastur / Gaia (defensive) or Titania (offensive)

[BlazeAlter]

I checked JP wiki the other day, and Amon's A frame 25% def debuff actually changed to a C frame and is no longer single target
So in the future she might be a better choice than Thanatos if the player isn't running a burst build I suppose?

She also gets other nice stuff

[artista]

Right now im running Hades , Amon U, Osiris and Susanoo and i dont even know if i should waste my eyes to awaken susanoo as they come really slow and thanatos is really close to be released.

I only wish i was able to grab dark amaterasu but i didnt play the game when she was released sadly.

[LeCrestfallen]

Thats some really insane amon buffs. Will still most likely use my lovely satan instead

[sanahtlig]

Thats some really insane amon buffs. Will still most likely use my lovely satan instead

The point is now you can use either or both--and it looks like they now synergize. Before the buff, Satan (AW) was clearly superior. Unfortunately, many Dark teams will still be running Sniper Shot since Dark doesn't have many options for -ATK (other than SR and Rs).

[Aidoru]

Those changes to Amon look like they basically bench Thanatos, unless she get's an awakening. This is pretty important to factor for us since she was originally a high miracle ticket priority for dark for reaching def down cap but depending on how long you're planning to play the game, this means she drops to just another SSR for damage if you have both already Amon and Satan already and can spend your future ticket elsewhere.

[LeCrestfallen]

Its still one year ahead, well, might switch to pluto then instead of thana with the next ticket? (should she be available then)

[BlazeAlter]

Its still one year ahead, well, might switch to pluto then instead of thana with the next ticket? (should she be available then)

i think theres a high chance pluto will be included on the next ticket since the next one might be at late july/early august, and pluto gets released during pride reprint (which is... somewhere at may i think?)

[Unregistered]

The point is now you can use either or both--and it looks like they now synergize. Before the buff, Satan (AW) was clearly superior. Unfortunately, many Dark teams will still be running Sniper Shot since Dark doesn't have many options for -ATK (other than SR and Rs).

People with Dark Ama will mostly run with Ambush or not?
Wouldn't Lu Bu be a good substitute for her? I don't understand why she is so great/important in a dark team.
Is it because of versatility?