Thread: Updated Kamihime Project Rerolling Guide for New and Intermediate Players

For the rerolling we are obliged to make the tutorial right ?

Actually it is not what is written in the guide but it had been maybe changed ?

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Wait, really, you did a few thousand rerolls and not a single 100% eido? That's some insanely bad luck. Usually you see at least one after a few hundred rerolls.

That is correct. The next best I got was Slepnier and Cybele Unleashed.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

I would still advise rerolling if you aren't going to go crazy rerolling some more... This is especially the case if you're willing to buy mtix down the road. 100% eido + 1 SSR from mtix would still be stronger than what you have here. Yes, your rerolled account won't have the Abou and Python items, but it's not like either of those were particularly good anyway. The upcoming dark raid and light UE about a month from now have much better weapon rewards.

I've still been going for it, but tbh my luck has gotten even worse. I'm now starting to have accounts that don't even get a single Hime (R, SR, SSR) at all. I also have read that UE weapons are some of the best you can get as a F2P player.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

If you want to main light and you are willing to just settle for rerolling an SSR hime (strongly advise you settle only for 100% eido though), you should at least aim for Michael or Tishtrya (and mtix the one you didn't roll if you are willing to spend.) LT is good, but less versatile as she's quite weak against debuff resistant stuff.

That is true, the drop in damage when she doesn't land the ELE RST down is very noticeable. I very much so want to main either light or dark.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

If you are done with rerolls and going to stick with this account, I have a couple of suggestions for you:



I have a rather unconventional team for you and I don't have Buer, so I can't test this myself, but in theory this should work:

Use Herc, Hermes, Diana, LT, Buer, Metatron in sub (yes, you read that right, bench Metatron and replace her with a dark SR, hear me out.) Keep using the 3rd ability for Buer - your goal is squeeze 2 potions out of her from 2nd ability then get her killed as quickly as possible. As soon as she goes down, Metatron will take her place, and Metatron's launch out means you can still full burst right away assuming the rest of the team is ready (with your team, Metatron will probably still be waiting around before FB.)

This is most reliable against bosses that do AoE, 'cos then Buer will guaranteed to be hit. If Hermes' taunt gets in the way too often for Buer to go down, you might have to bench Hermes instead of Metatron, but that means breaking your FB, so only do so if there's no other way.

Funny enough I actually did exactly that before (W/out metatron though, got that on a random 300 crystal roll). Changed it because she really can kill herself insanely fast (she has ~4.6k HP compared to my teams ~10k). I'll deff give it a try though.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Hectatonchires is good for beginners when your hp is still low. Unless gacha gives you more copies though, you should get St. Nick or Barong from eidolon orb shop and use those instead once you slvl up your weapons. Ditch the SR eidolons asap, even off-element MLB lilims give better stats.

I suppose, I have a lot of Mangarmr friends so I used the light Eidos that I could. I'm working toward Barong right now.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Tishtrya - she'll let your team hit 45% def down, which isn't bad, and she comes with strong single target heal, so you don't have to rely on the Buer trick I outlined above. For second mtix, do Michael. But lest I be accused of kh-advising-malpractice - I want to repeat that 100% eido + mtix is better than what you have here + mtix. You're not far along enough or have an awesome enough team that justifies not rerolling.

Don't I already? -15% from LT, -15% Diana, -15% Sneak Attack (working toward sniper shot though). I was planning on Michael eventually though to try for Shingen team. Also, I guess just from what I saw while rerolling for months... I thought my current set up was pretty good. T_T

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Don't main dark unless you have Anubis or something. Your light team is much better than what you have here for dark anyway.



Unfortunately, there will be lots of grind in this game. Try to get a team where you can just AAB the chores, including event battles, so you only have to manually do a few things like GO and maybe the raids you host.

Working on it. Thanks for all your time. I'm a little disappointed that a 100% Edio is still so good that what I have isn't worth keeping. I'll work on it. Although I have a feeling I'll never roll a decent account.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

For the rerolling we are obliged to make the tutorial right ?

Actually it is not what is written in the guide but it had been maybe changed ?

Click on the red 'Skip All' button near the top right hand corner after you started the game (got past the screen with Sol on it.) It is just outside the regular game rectangle, so ppl miss it sometimes. It still works, I just tried it myself today, you can press it as soon as the story starts and before the first line of dialogue even appears (as seen on the screenshot.)

Originally Posted by Hiutsuri

That is correct. The next best I got was Slepnier and Cybele Unleashed.

Wow, that is rough! I feel bad for you! If I reroll something good in the near future, I'll check to see if you're interested (last time I rolled a 100% was a month ago though, so, don't count on my luck either.)

Originally Posted by Hiutsuri

I also have read that UE weapons are some of the best you can get as a F2P player.

That is correct. Try to be in an active union before a UE starts, especially for an element that you main in.

Originally Posted by Hiutsuri

I very much so want to main either light or dark.

Just curious, is this for aesthetic reasons or 'cos you don't want to worry about elemental advantages? If the latter, light is generally considered better 'cos their SSRs just synergize better than dark.

Originally Posted by Hiutsuri

Funny enough I actually did exactly that before (W/out metatron though, got that on a random 300 crystal roll). Changed it because she really can kill herself insanely fast (she has ~4.6k HP compared to my teams ~10k). I'll deff give it a try though.

Yeah, it's an unconventional tactic, but I have seen it used in other contexts (purposely getting someone killed and replacing with a strong sub that is.) My thinking is that with Herc, you're hitting much harder, and if Buer dies quickly, you aren't sacrificing that much dmg either. Herc shouldn't require much if any heal, Diana can heal herself, Metatron will be fresh with full hp when she replaces Buer, so hopefully whatever potions you squeeze out of Buer can cover the remaining two himes.

Also, Buer's HP is probably so low 'cos she doesn't get any of the light weapon defender skills and the Hectatonchires 20% boost. That works to our advantage when we're trying to just extract potions from her and then replace her. Btw, with ~10k hp, you really should start looking into boosting your dmg output to the point where you can start to forego heal except for drawn out battles like GO (although ppl forego heal even for GO when they get strong enough.)

Originally Posted by Hiutsuri

Don't I already? -15% from LT, -15% Diana, -15% Sneak Attack (working toward sniper shot though).

Sorry, didn't realize that you're unlocking/unlocked D'Art alreaady. That is correct, sneak attack/sniper shot and Tish's debuff are all B frame. Having Tish means you can EX something else, maybe BP when you unlock Mordred. Tish's debuff comes with resistance down, too. If it procs, it makes LT's light rst down easier to land. If both lands, the rest of your debuffs should land without problems (unless you're fighting wind rag or something.)

Originally Posted by Hiutsuri

I was planning on Michael eventually though to try for Shingen team.

Michael is good even without Shingen. Also, I'm talking about Michael AW. Pre-awakening Michael alone is barely worth an mtix imo (not 'cos Michael is bad, just 'cos there're so many good light SSRs.) If you don't have 3 draconic eyes and AW LB materials at hand, or nearly at hand, mtix Tish first (assuming you are willing to spend 2 mtix; complete f2p is at the extreme mercy of gacha RNG for this game >.<)

Tish may not look that great on paper, but she really is that awesome especially after lvl 75, 'cos she fits really well with other light SSRs. Happy to elaborate more on light builds if you want, but don't want to advertise too hard for light unless you want me to (I main light, and I like how light teams fit together easily, so much so that I even have a poem written for it.)

Originally Posted by Hiutsuri

I thought my current set up was pretty good. T_T

It's not bad, just that the ceiling without 100% eidolon is quite a bit lower. If you don't care about ranking or MVP-ing and just want some casual fun, the two light SSRs you have is actually a very good start. Once you have upgraded your grid, you should be able to clear pretty much everything outside of raids comfortably. You may struggle to get all 5 ori from GO every cycle and AQ5 will probably still be difficult, but you will be getting ori and can definitely clear AQ4 with that team.

Originally Posted by Hiutsuri

I'm a little disappointed that a 100% Edio is still so good that what I have isn't worth keeping.

Maybe I was too strong in my language. It's not that what you have isn't worth keeping, just that once you've spent months on it, you will realize that you can never be as strong as some other players no matter how hard you farm. It's also harder to make friends with 100% eido without owning one yourself, so it kinda hits you twice. If it's any consolation, my main account is a light main and I do not own a 100% either. I found out about rerollling AFTER I spent real money and got myself up to 4 light SSRs (pulled even more since then.) Funnily enough, I pulled Hectatonchires, too. I certainly do not plan to trash my main account even though I have a secondary account with fluffy on it, although every once in a while I really wish I could merge those two accounts, lol. For comparison, my fluffy account with just 1 SSR was earning ori from GO as soon as it hit rank 51, whereas for my main account with 4 SSRs didn't earn any ori until around rank 60-ish iirc.

If you keep your expectations realistic about what can and cannot be accomplished without 100%, it is perfectly valid to play without one, well, I play without one at least... But yeah, 100% eido is kinda OP...

Originally Posted by Hiutsuri

Although I have a feeling I'll never roll a decent account.

Gacha RNG sucks sometimes. Hope you're at least having some fun with the game!

Thank you very much for your fantastic reply! I'll stick w/doing my 50 rerolls a day until I get something amazing. Until then I'll just enjoy learning on this account. I'm not concerned with being the best ever, just having something fun to plink away on while I watch youtube and relax after work.

Can't thank you enough for your time with reading my walls of text.

Didn't really read anything you said before but if you're looking for a 100% eido doing 50 rolls a day you should get one pretty soon and they're very much worth it even if you're not looking to "be the best". I've done a decent bit of re-rolling (probably 1500+ accounts now) and I usually get a 100% eido every ~100 accounts. That's not something to live by since at the end of the day it is just RNG but just wanted to say if you've got some free time and you're looking to play this game I'd recommend trying for a 100%. If you're looking for a 100% light eido account I have one that I don't use at all but it's not exactly "new" it's rank 14 but it still has the SR miracle ticket unused. Thought I had a spare dark account but I think I gave it away already, anyway PM me if you want it.

Soo..

I've spent 2 days re-rolling and I finally got one I think is pretty good but wanted some feedback before I started to play it.

I got..

Rudra (100% SSR Water Eidolon)
Hecatonchires (SSR Light Eidolon)

Hastur (SRR Wind Kamihime)

I know it's a good roll (I've done 100's all ready and this is easily the best I've got) but I'm kinda a perfectionist and i would kinda like to try for a 120% eidolon or a 100% plus a SSR kamihime of the same element. Is that kinda crazy? I guess when leviathan gets released then Rudra becomes kinda.. redundant? Is a 120% gonna be necessary for upcoming content?

Hastur seems pretty useable off element at least given she has all allies attack up and a def down. Is that the case?

Thanks for any advice.

Originally Posted by Yuki777

I'm kinda a perfectionist and i would kinda like to try for a 120% eidolon or a 100% plus a SSR kamihime of the same element. Is that kinda crazy?

It's all RNG, so you might get that the next reroll. Statistically though, expect to reroll a long long time before getting 100%+ and an SSR of matching element.

Originally Posted by Yuki777

I guess when leviathan gets released then Rudra becomes kinda.. redundant?

Wouldn't say redundant, Rudra is still way more powerful than other gacha eidolons and event eidolons. Hanuman (120% wind eidolon) has been out for a while now, and trust me, there are still plenty of ppl that would befriend every Hraesvelgr (100% wind eidolon) they see and jump for joy if they draw her themselves. The 120% eidolons like Leviathan require you to equip eidolons of matching element to get it up to 120% (will be boosted to 140% some time down the road btw), but otherwise they are 100% as well if none of your sub eidolons are of matching element. If you draw both Rudra and Leviathan on the same account, then it's sort of redundant, but they give different active abilities, so you might still end up using both.

Originally Posted by Yuki777

Is a 120% gonna be necessary for upcoming content?

Strictly speaking no. Good team setup and strong weapons grid can help offset the lack of 100%+ eidolon to a limited extent. You just get to the required power level to clear all content much quicker with 100%+ and you have a noticeably higher ceiling in your power, so everything will just be easier. If you want to be top 20 in towers or MVP every rag raid, then 100%+ eidolon alone is probably not even enough - you need a lot of himes and lots of SSR/FLB weapons as well. So, depends on how ambitious you are.

Originally Posted by Yuki777

Hastur seems pretty useable off element at least given she has all allies attack up and a def down. Is that the case?

You won't be using off-element himes for long. You lose too much power that way, especially if you have 100%+ eidolon. Hastur isn't a bad hime, but her skills aren't that special. People will occasionally bring non-matching element characters like Sol 'cos she has heal, cleanse and enemy buff removal, all of which are relatively rare skills. Those are merely temporary solutions until you draw or mtix the himes to complete a full team of matching element though.

Originally Posted by Yuki777

Soo..

I've spent 2 days re-rolling and I finally got one I think is pretty good but wanted some feedback before I started to play it.

I got..

Rudra (100% SSR Water Eidolon)
Hecatonchires (SSR Light Eidolon)

Hastur (SRR Wind Kamihime)

I know it's a good roll (I've done 100's all ready and this is easily the best I've got) but I'm kinda a perfectionist and i would kinda like to try for a 120% eidolon or a 100% plus a SSR kamihime of the same element. Is that kinda crazy? I guess when leviathan gets released then Rudra becomes kinda.. redundant? Is a 120% gonna be necessary for upcoming content?

Hastur seems pretty useable off element at least given she has all allies attack up and a def down. Is that the case?

Thanks for any advice.

Perfectly sustainable account. You'll be a water main and you can be wind as your second team. This fits fairly well as they are on the opposites of the element cube, so you will always be able to walk into a battle either with elemental advantage (water against fire, wind against thunder) or even (wind against water and water against wind).


As a Wind Hime, Hastur is great. She's got defense down and some damage skills (I think), but you'll be able to use her for a long time.


Congrats!!

You should now think of what water Hime you want to Miracle Ticket. And do the story for SR Nike (water healer).


Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Yuki777

I know it's a good roll (I've done 100's all ready and this is easily the best I've got) but I'm kinda a perfectionist and i would kinda like to try for a 120% eidolon or a 100% plus a SSR kamihime of the same element. Is that kinda crazy?

While it is theoretically possible, those kinds of accounts are incredibly rare. I wouldn't recommend going for that.

Originally Posted by Yuki777

I guess when leviathan gets released then Rudra becomes kinda.. redundant? Is a 120% gonna be necessary for upcoming content?

120% requires you to have full Water Eidolons equipped, which means less base Atk, which means not-quite-120%. The difference between 100% and 120% is quite meh.

... which is why they're buffing 120% Eidolons to 140% (up to 160% I think it was?) in December. That's when the difference becomes noticeable. Until then? Nobody cares.