Thread: Consolidated Dark Team Topic

Originally Posted by BlazeRai

imo if a player is aiming for a burst build w/ shingen, then I think Osiris will help a lot because of her +15 burst gauge for the entire team, and having a heal (even tho its not as great as Sol's heal) isnt too bad of an option

and who knows? Maybe she'll get an awakening in the future (which i want to believe, since I do think she badly needs it as she's the only SSR healer of Dark)

but its up to them if they want a backup heal w/ a chance to burst 1 turn early, or just go full offense with their teams

The problem i see is that Hades Amon and Satan AW will synergize pretty good and be my core team which leaves the 4th slot to either Pluto or Osiris. I have Osiris and i feel the 1,1k heal with 15 burst isnt worth compared to get a dmg cut and burst from Pluto but when i grab Pluto eventually i can compare better. Thanatos is not needed aswell with the changes to Amon.

Originally Posted by artista

The problem i see is that Hades Amon and Satan AW will synergize pretty good and be my core team which leaves the 4th slot to either Pluto or Osiris. I have Osiris and i feel the 1,1k heal with 15 burst isnt worth compared to get a dmg cut and burst from Pluto but when i grab Pluto eventually i can compare better. Thanatos is not needed aswell with the changes to Amon.

I suppose thats true. Its such a long wait for the Amon U buffs though.....
Another possible good alternative in my opinion would be Samael, but she wont come to nutaku until... december or something i think
Well at least Osiris will always be an option to you, in case you need some healing on your dark team. I do think its okay to run both Osiris and Pluto though, and if you don't need the damage cut and have other alternatives like Thanatos/AW Satan/Samael, then they're also great to place in
She is, in my opinion, the most decent healer you can have for dark (this is of course if a player isn't considering to run Sol or Andromeda/Cassiopeia as a healer on their dark team) because her heal doesn't have that long of a cooldown (I consider 6CD short) and it gives 15 burst
in the future there would be some decent SR dark healers like Diana [Archer] (1200 heal w/ party atk buff, 8CD) or Manes (1200 Heal w/ 1k barrier for party, 10CD) for lets say F2P players who can't get her, but these ones wont heal as often as Osiris can because their heal CD is kinda long

But that's just my take on it. Feel free to correct me if I got anything wrong lol (or if I forgot any other good healer in the future for dark)

(and while waiting for Amon U's insane buffs in the future, I still hope to see Osiris getting an awakening while I wait)

The reason why Pluto is considered important is that at later difficulty content (think AQ5, the incoming actual ragnarok disaster (one level up than our current ragnarok disaster, the current ragnarok disaster gets renamed to ultimate) is her ability to damage cut.

Damage cut ability now doesnt get used much as most people can survive with -50% atk down and one damage cut ability (e.g. joan's or gaia's, etc), but game like this is bound to have power creep, and that's where stacking multiple damage cut ability (including defense buff) will help clearing higher difficulty content.

With that said, it's still 1 year ++ thing for us, so no need to push that panic button... yet..

Originally Posted by artista

The problem i see is that Hades Amon and Satan AW will synergize pretty good and be my core team which leaves the 4th slot to either Pluto or Osiris. I have Osiris and i feel the 1,1k heal with 15 burst isnt worth compared to get a dmg cut and burst from Pluto but when i grab Pluto eventually i can compare better. Thanatos is not needed aswell with the changes to Amon.

Thanatos actually loses her use even earlier than Amon's changes. Satan's awakening, 4 months after Thanatos' release. You can still hit cap def down with Amon and Satan once she's awakened, which will be a lot earlier than waiting for a year+ for Amon to change. While Satan's def down won't stack with Amon's yet, the additional -10% dark res down from awakening will still factor in, meaning -35% def down with Amon and Awakened Satan. With Sniper Shot (or Dark Ama or Lu Bu), you'll still be hitting that -50% def down.

Feeling Vine is still a good factor in dark teams as well, simply because you can use her with Anubis. Though not sure how much a difference her low stats will impact future content.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Thanatos actually loses her use even earlier than Amon's changes. Satan's awakening, 4 months after Thanatos' release. You can still hit cap def down with Amon and Satan once she's awakened, which will be a lot earlier than waiting for a year+ for Amon to change. While Satan's def down won't stack with Amon's yet, the additional -10% dark res down from awakening will still factor in, meaning -35% def down with Amon and Awakened Satan. With Sniper Shot (or Dark Ama or Lu Bu), you'll still be hitting that -50% def down.

Feeling Vine is still a good factor in dark teams as well, simply because you can use her with Anubis. Though not sure how much a difference her low stats will impact future content.

But you cant mix def debuff with dark resist right? What im trying to say is you should go for -50 def and then dark resist on top of it. Please correct me if im wrong but the def cap doesnt apply if you mix dark resist which means thanatos should pair with either Amon or Satan for now. Satan AW being better than Amon is a better choice.

It would be something like this. Sniper shot 20% Satan AW 15% and Thanatos 15%. Thats 50% done and still the dark resist Satan gives on top of it so I think Thanatos is useful till Amon changes debuff type.

Originally Posted by artista

But you cant mix def debuff with dark resist right? What im trying to say is you should go for -50 def and then dark resist on top of it. Please correct me if im wrong but the def cap doesnt apply if you mix dark resist which means thanatos should pair with either Amon or Satan for now. Satan AW being better than Amon is a better choice.

It would be something like this. Sniper shot 20% Satan AW 15% and Thanatos 15%. Thats 50% done and still the dark resist Satan gives on top of it so I think Thanatos is useful till Amon changes debuff type.

I'm... not sure what you're trying to say.

Just to clarify, Dark Resist is part of Def Down. So if you have -50% Def and -10% Dark Resist, you get the exact same effect as -40% Def and -10% Dark Resist. Because -50% is the cap.

Originally Posted by Slashley

I'm... not sure what you're trying to say.

Just to clarify, Dark Resist is part of Def Down. So if you have -50% Def and -10% Dark Resist, you get the exact same effect as -40% Def and -10% Dark Resist. Because -50% is the cap.

Ok, i was wrong, i thought it wasnt part of def down cap. My bad

Originally Posted by artista

But you cant mix def debuff with dark resist right? What im trying to say is you should go for -50 def and then dark resist on top of it. Please correct me if im wrong but the def cap doesnt apply if you mix dark resist which means thanatos should pair with either Amon or Satan for now. Satan AW being better than Amon is a better choice.

It would be something like this. Sniper shot 20% Satan AW 15% and Thanatos 15%. Thats 50% done and still the dark resist Satan gives on top of it so I think Thanatos is useful till Amon changes debuff type.

From what I've been told, elemental resist down acts as defense down and affliction resist down for the specific element. While it is its own separate debuff it stacks with def down but at the same time, is also included into the defense down debuff cap. So the excess dark resist down from Satan in your example would only be helpful for increasing debuffs apply on the target, you wouldn't get additional damage since it's already met the cap.