Thread: [Event 48] Advent Battle vs Illuyanka

Originally Posted by Mraktar

-- So it will be less usefull then assault, but still give some buff.--

While it's better than a pure Defender weapon, it just is not good enough without Assault. You're better off with a Disaster Assault SR than the Gun, most likely. And most likely because we don't know exactly how much the Rush gives you.

As such... don't get the Gun if you're tight on farming time. The only use for the Gun is that in like 2 years, it might become a triple skill weapon with FLB, meaning that it'd be Defender/Rush/Assault (hopefully). Then it'd be really good. Until then? It's garbage.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

I can see no reason not to get gun. I don't know any water hime with so high base multihit that they could get a penalty from high DATA on weapons (like Cybele U), just some with coulpe turns guaranted triple hit like Atlanta. So it will be less usefull then assault, but still give some buff. And it's still medium defender too so things are not so bad. Yes, hammer is better, but price is very high. If you can farm a lot ulties - get both weapons, else - get at least a gun if you can't get mlb hammer. Eydolon is garbage, just pile of orbs, Tiamat is much better. Don't forget to get 20 HE.

Sure, get it! It's cheap and any SSR fodder you can get will be nice for FLB. Though unless you really really need that defender: don't LB it, since any SR assault will outperform it.

Originally Posted by Slashley

While it's better than a pure Defender weapon, it just is not good enough without Assault. You're better off with a Disaster Assault SR than the Gun, most likely. And most likely because we don't know exactly how much the Rush gives you.

As such... don't get the Gun if you're tight on farming time. The only use for the Gun is that in like 2 years, it might become a triple skill weapon with FLB, meaning that it'd be Defender/Rush/Assault (hopefully). Then it'd be really good. Until then? It's garbage.

If you're tight on farming time or can't farm ulties, just experts - just remember, that gun is 4-5 times cheaper then hammer. If you can farm a lot - you may get them all. Disaster assault is better... i highly doubt about it, it's just 1.5k attack. Defender is not so bad - i need at least 2 because dead hime deal zero damage + rush adds at least some damage. If you're a whale and/or play from release and already have full grid of SSR/ couple assault SR- then you may say that gun is not good enough and you don't need it, but if you don't have full grid of water weapons - it's still much better then off element, little less damage then disaster sr (13% assault vs 500+ extra attack + some DATA) +has extra hp . For example, i play from jan and in water element i have SSR Tiamat bow and Vritra sword, 3 MLB assault sr and 1 LB2 disaster glavie. Ok, i could get Rahab weapon (i picked eydo instead). It's still leaves a lot of free slots filled with for example Kuyuki bow or pride gun to be replaced with hammer and gun, and grid will not be filled yet .

Originally Posted by Mraktar

If you're tight on farming time or can't farm ulties, just experts - just remember, that gun is 4-5 times cheaper then hammer. If you can farm a lot - you may get them all. Disaster assault is better... i highly doubt about it, it's just 1.5k attack. Defender is not so bad - i need at least 2 because dead hime deal zero damage + rush adds at least some damage. If you're a whale and/or play from release and already have full grid of SSR/ couple assault SR- then you may say that gun is not good enough and you don't need it, but if you don't have full grid of water weapons - it's still much better then off element, little less damage then disaster sr (13% assault vs 500+ extra attack + some DATA) +has extra hp . For example, i play from jan and in water element i have SSR Tiamat bow and Vritra sword, 3 MLB assault sr and 1 LB2 disaster glavie. Ok, i could get Rahab weapon (i picked eydo instead). It's still leaves a lot of free slots filled with for example Kuyuki bow or pride gun to be replaced with hammer and gun, and grid will not be filled yet .

But now we have WaRag, so getting the SR Atk weapon is much easier and less time consuming. So, just doing some math. I upped the Difference in Atk to 600 between the Gun and SR weapon. If your Kami have more than 4,615 base attack, then the SR weapon will be better. 600/0.13

if you're able to sell off the gun to trade for those kaisers later on, then it's worth getting... all non-assault SSR will be if that's the case

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

if you're able to sell off the gun to trade for those kaisers later on, then it's worth getting... all non-assault SSR will be if that's the case

That's eidolons, not weapons.

On another note, here's a Rag run with R-team. Have fun watching me be confused with no clue what the different skills do (I could've sworn Cherubims 2nd skill was rage down). Tlalocs solo towards the end was another highlight. Grid still needs more work, but thanks to Kirin, it's already performing alright with ~80%. In hindsight, so many things that could've been played better, but was my first run and end was kinda fun, so figured I'd upload it anyways. More interesting than a stomp after all.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

If you're tight on farming time or can't farm ulties, just experts - just remember, that gun is 4-5 times cheaper then hammer.--

Doesn't matter when it's garbage vs. something actually good. A 0-star Hammer will probably perform better than a LMB garbage.

I've made a damage calc with a quick "is this a better weapon?" checker (which sadly doesn't support Rush since we don't have proper data on it), why don't you see for yourself just how bad base atk is? More is of course better, but if you've been playing for a month or two, the other sources of base atk simply overshadow the gains when compared to Assault from weapons.

As such - you'll generally only want Assault weapons in your grid. At the moment, dual-skill Atk/HP weapons are still fairly rare, so you might need one or two Defender weapons. But Water is starting to have several now (two from Events), so you shouldn't need to do that. In the future, you absolutely DO NOT want anything in your Grid that isn't Assault (and Prides are Assault), because there will be 50%+ HP also available from dual-skill weapons, entirely knocking out the need for Defender weapons. While that's... still a fair bit away, really, do NOT go for the garbage Gun just because "it is cheaper." There is a perfectly fine SR Glaive with Assault which will perform better than the Gun - while being a ton cheaper to boot!

Sounds like a pick and choose your battles thing then.

I'm just stockpiling mats anyway. Ult runs are 3.5 mins or less for me anyway

I've farmed everything except for the eyes (can't do Rag without huge luck, or elixir) SR enhance mats, SR weapons, and gold books.

Everything else is done.

Originally Posted by HugMeTender

I've farmed everything except for the eyes (can't do Rag without huge luck, or elixir) SR enhance mats, SR weapons, and gold books.

Everything else is done.

SR weapons are pretty cheap and recommended to go for IMO, considering how much better they make your life skilling up weapons.