Thread: [Event 49] Raid Battle vs Adrammelech

Originally Posted by Slashley

They don't. I haven't tested, but I'd be shocked if they did. They're both elem up+ Eidolon frame.

Yep you are right, they dont stack, so lilims indeed are trash, only usable as a niche Main eido if you wanna run off ele thor + something else.

Originally Posted by Ikki

Yep you are right, they dont stack, so lilims indeed are trash, only usable as a niche Main eido if you wanna run off ele thor + something else.

They could be usefull if you have Fluffy (100% light eido) or Anubis (100% dark eido) and lack some light/dark eidos.
Well, ofc after they are released

i figured the buffs wouldn't stack, that's why i mentioned using them one after the other (lilim, then SR drag, then kaiser is still at least 7 turns of buffs when used back-to-back)


and granted, the base stats are lower, but the overall increase from buffs in battle would override that.... except...

stronger buffs would still have obvious priority over weaker ones.... if you have them.


assuming if i wanted to be buff oriented (and had the mentioned eidolons) for fire and took the fire lilim, both fire dragoons, the phantom lilim, fafnir as main, friend belial, and ifrit, then that's a lot of buffs. but given that meng huo is a thing, she'd easily knock off someone (likely one of the lilims or the SR dragoon in this case).

what i was mentioning is the cases where someone doesn't have all that. out of what i've mentioned, i'd still be missing the dragoons... leaving at least 1 slot open. that could possibly get replaced with typhon.... if she was stronger (she has attack up, but mine is 1 star).

all i'm saying is that using them is a possiblity, but i'm also not saying to keep them all the time when you clearly have something better. optimal strategy would be to take the stronger buffs after all, more so if they have higher stats (which is why if someone ever did MLB 5 of the same kaiser, their sub slots probably won't get any better).

thing is, there's too many looking at "the most OP stuff" and not "what someone might have". we don't all have the same stuff so you need to factor in what can lead to getting said stuff. i just gotten asked on a video if someone's light team of Mordred with sniper shot, Urania, Baldr, Dike, Inanna, with Uzume and Orphie subs was good, even though they mentioned their light grid was more or less on par with mine. meanwhile i'm using same soul and ex, but with Sol, Tsuki, Raph, Diana, with Metatron and Shamash as subs. that's VASTLY different there.

did not mean to derail this so far, but did not expect things to go this deep either. it really baffles me as to how so many overlook that "someone may not have access to the same stuff you have". (that and the massive taboo of misinformation, cause people do make mistakes and condemning them DOESN'T HELP)

Originally Posted by Sora

They could be usefull if you have Fluffy (100% light eido) or Anubis (100% dark eido) and lack some light/dark eidos.
Well, ofc after they are released

At that point I'd rather bank on a couple of raid eidolon dupes/ extras from the orb store once it's out...

Barong Nicholas Sphinx Phoenix and a light Kaiser + Mag for light. And not to mention 2 of those are purchasable whenever... in a month. Annnnd I forget dark, but there isn't a huge need for the lilims if you've got stuff set up.

That leaves the only practical use for lilims to be for newer players... that happen to have either the light or dark 100%. Or straight up don't have better options. And 100 jewels.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

it really baffles me as to how so many overlook that "someone may not have access to the same stuff you have".

You are forgetting that people are considering lilims as trash vs free stuff, so the "someone may not have access" doesnt apply cause no one is bringing impossible stuff like kaiser grids, they are comparing them with good stats event eidos and first copy of kaiser, both of em being achievable by everyone, lilims stats are horrible and the buff isnt even good to even consider the inmense loss in stats, just drop it.

Originally Posted by Ikki

You are forgetting that people are considering lilims as trash vs free stuff, so the "someone may not have access" doesnt apply cause no one is bringing impossible stuff like kaiser grids, they are comparing them with good stats event eidos and first copy of kaiser, both of em being achievable by everyone, lilims stats are horrible and the buff isnt even good to even consider the inmense loss in stats, just drop it.

compared to most event eidolons being around 2k atk? even 500 atk less isn't that much of an "immense loss" unless you start factoring in assault values and buffs...

that buff probably makes up for the stat loss, but what i also said that there is better out there. considering the elemental buff is "medium", that's 15% elemental attack (or regular attack in the case of the phantom one). so you mean to tell me 500 or less atk difference is that detrimental compared to a 15% buff?

now we all agree on the fact that as a main eidolon, they are really horrible. but as a sub, they do have SOME use UNTIL YOU GET BETTER STUFF.

so i'll say it again, IGNORE THIS WHEN YOU HAVE BETTER STUFF. until then, use them.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

now we all agree on the fact that as a main eidolon, they are really horrible. but as a sub, they do have SOME use UNTIL YOU GET BETTER STUFF.

so i'll say it again, IGNORE THIS WHEN YOU HAVE BETTER STUFF. until then, use them.

Well that applies to everything duh, if you have an R eido or literally nothing you obv gonna use the only lilim you have, thats common sense, no reason to bring the "lilim sub eido" thing up, we are speaking about ideal f2p conditions, not starter player conditions, cause if thats the case we can switch the conditions to favour yourself all the time, and thats dumb.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

compared to most event eidolons being around 2k atk? even 500 atk less isn't that much of an "immense loss" unless you start factoring in assault values and buffs...

that buff probably makes up for the stat loss, but what i also said that there is better out there. considering the elemental buff is "medium", that's 15% elemental attack (or regular attack in the case of the phantom one). so you mean to tell me 500 or less atk difference is that detrimental compared to a 15% buff?

now we all agree on the fact that as a main eidolon, they are really horrible. but as a sub, they do have SOME use UNTIL YOU GET BETTER STUFF.

so i'll say it again, IGNORE THIS WHEN YOU HAVE BETTER STUFF. until then, use them.

For the sake of the argument (debate?), let's assume the player has access to 6 or more SSR event eidolons and the lilim. After all, recommendation for those who don't is use whatever best raw stuff they have, but this debate is more about optimisation.

1. Lilims take 10 turns to charge. Quite the long charge time, and I don't think anyone really wants to spend 20+ turns in a battle, just to benefit from the 15% buff for 6 turns. The mathematics do go to the lilims if you consider stuff like that (AQ4 and others) and you have a practically high atk rating and assault bonus. (The lilim's buff is elemental right? As in, separate from the weapon assault bonus? I forget lol)

2. Lilims are actually less newbie friendly than you would think, assuming my conception about their buffs are correct. Newbies need raw base stats way more than they do % buffs. A 20k atk setup is gonna benefit way less from the 15% buff than a 40k atk setup. Of course, if the lilims are the highest stats you have... that's your only option.

3. Don't forget you're losing some HP as well... though I suppose people care slightly less about those.

4. Well. Kaisers. A point done to death, but still a point

And I guess I'll just stick this as a conclusion... people will get better stuff over time.

And more will start complaining about how underpowered lilims are considering how often they appear.

compared to most event eidolons being around 2k atk? even 500 atk less isn't that much of an "immense loss" unless you start factoring in assault values and buffs...

What is the reason to not factor in assault and buffs when they are always there and play a huge role? Also let's not forget that 15% ele buff isn't equal 15% dmg boost, since it is on top of at least 80% from main and support eido plus 45% from elemetal advantage.

now we all agree on the fact that as a main eidolon, they are really horrible. but as a sub, they do have SOME use UNTIL YOU GET BETTER STUFF.

so i'll say it again, IGNORE THIS WHEN YOU HAVE BETTER STUFF. until then, use them.

The same can be said for everything in this game, problem is: most stuff in this game is better than Lilim, so that SOME USE it very abysmal

Event is up. WITH FIRE PRISON