Thread: HELP US FIX THE GACHA RATE

There's no such thing as whale funding the majority, its a big fat lie to make dolphin felt insignificant so they're less likely to make a fuss if anything went wrong (they're especially scared of a mass refund, it can literally kill the company)
Ever since the era of crowdfunding, every project out there that has tiered investment/donation system has proven again and again that 99% of the money comes from dolphins.

Crowdfunding is something that you give money to once, and then forget about it.

Games work differently. You keep playing, and give money however often you want - and in today's lootbox(/gacha) bullshit, as much as you want with almost no limit.


For example, Nekopara kickstarter gathered 936k dollars. The highest donation was 10k. Yeah, you're right, 99% came from dolphins. But you know what? If it would be a game, this one guy could most likely afford to pay that 10k every day. For months. If not years. And not even notice the loss of money. Also, if Nekopara had put the top-prize at 10m, I bet this guy would've paid it. And oh look, suddenly a whale is responsible for pretty much all the money.

You are correct that mass refunds can kill companies though, getting chargebacked is EXPENSIVE.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Crowdfunding is something that you give money to once, and then forget about it.

Games work differently. You keep playing, and give money however often you want - and in today's lootbox(/gacha) bullshit, as much as you want with almost no limit.


For example, Nekopara kickstarter gathered 936k dollars. The highest donation was 10k. Yeah, you're right, 99% came from dolphins. But you know what? If it would be a game, this one guy could most likely afford to pay that 10k every day. For months. If not years. And not even notice the loss of money. Also, if Nekopara had put the top-prize at 10m, I bet this guy would've paid it. And oh look, suddenly a whale is responsible for pretty much all the money.

You are correct that mass refunds can kill companies though, getting chargebacked is EXPENSIVE.

You're fantasizing, if the maximum nekopara had earned was 936k, how likely is a single person that got backer's package of 10k would spend 10million! what I'm BETTING is that one 10k backer guy is an insider backing themself just to "look good" or simply baiting, which is a way too common tactic and a million times more likely.

And by the way, is this maru guy even a real player? For a telltale if he's genuine, did he ever buy gold for his union or friends? all those pseudo-whale out there done that, if not, how sure are you he's an actual player and not an insider "pretending just to look good", a bait (for dolphins of course, they'd have to sell their grandma for an actual whale), a kid emptying his parents bank account, or worse, a sucidal guy burning everything left before offing themself, the kind you find in most casino.

Originally Posted by King-Electronics

You're fantasizing, if the maximum nekopara had earned was 936k, how likely is a single person that got backer's package of 10k would spend 10million! what I'm BETTING is that one 10k backer guy is an insider backing themself just to "look good" or simply baiting, which is a way too common tactic and a million times more likely.

And by the way, is this maru guy even a real player? For a telltale if he's genuine, did he ever buy gold for his union or friends? all those pseudo-whale out there done that, if not, how sure are you he's an actual player and not an insider "pretending just to look good", a bait (for dolphins of course, they'd have to sell their grandma for an actual whale), a kid emptying his parents bank account, or worse, a sucidal guy burning everything left before offing themself, the kind you find in most casino.

you jerk, saying maru is dead is kinda rude mang. Becaus it can actually happen! Jesus I can't get this off my head now.

Originally Posted by King-Electronics

You're fantasizing, if the maximum nekopara had earned was 936k, how likely is a single person that got backer's package of 10k would spend 10million! what I'm BETTING is that one 10k backer guy is an insider backing themself just to "look good" or simply baiting, which is a way too common tactic and a million times more likely.

The very same guy bought a Steam trading card from me at 50 euros.

And my god, did I feel like an idiot after that. He would've paid thousands just for the sake of being the first one to get his hands on a virtual badge on his virtual Steam account. And I sold one of the pieces to him for just fifty euros...

Sigh. I doubt I'll ever again be the first person to get a Foil card of anything ever again, but if I do, lesson learned: start high. For people who have more money than common sense, the price is just a number.

Originally Posted by King-Electronics

You're fantasizing, if the maximum nekopara had earned was 936k, how likely is a single person that got backer's package of 10k would spend 10million! what I'm BETTING is that one 10k backer guy is an insider backing themself just to "look good" or simply baiting, which is a way too common tactic and a million times more likely.

And by the way, is this maru guy even a real player? For a telltale if he's genuine, did he ever buy gold for his union or friends? all those pseudo-whale out there done that, if not, how sure are you he's an actual player and not an insider "pretending just to look good", a bait (for dolphins of course, they'd have to sell their grandma for an actual whale), a kid emptying his parents bank account, or worse, a sucidal guy burning everything left before offing themself, the kind you find in most casino.

Let's ignore whatever numbers there are... ever heard of exaggeration to make the point? Personally I'm not sure of the numbers, and I won't say it's true or not. But... you get the point he's making. Right? Regardless of what you feel?

Or look at this way. The point is made if the number is exaggerated. What if it isn't? Even better, there's actual people willing to go this far, therefore cementing said point.

Originally Posted by Slashley

The very same guy bought a Steam trading card from me at 50 euros.

And my god, did I feel like an idiot after that. He would've paid thousands just for the sake of being the first one to get his hands on a virtual badge on his virtual Steam account. And I sold one of the pieces to him for just fifty euros...

Sigh. I doubt I'll ever again be the first person to get a Foil card of anything ever again, but if I do, lesson learned: start high. For people who have more money than common sense, the price is just a number.

I thought 50 euros was pretty darn high already tbh, but oh wells, concept of money for the rich.

I get the points so I said its no longer an exaggeration but a fantasy. Do you get mine?
See, like talking religion, cementing points with a what if, that's probatio diabolica. And now concept of money for the rich is 50$? that's inconsistent standard.

I don't care anymore, the point is, do you want that 15x rate up or not? Or you rather have even less because hypothetically that could be a good strategy for baiting "whales" to spend even more, therefore keeping the game alive for the rest of us tunas.

I don't think you've understood how wealth distribution works in reality. Glancing through this, I find:

Dollar millionaires make up 0.7% of the adult population but hold 46% of global wealth

You see, game makers have realized "Wait, why should we limit ourselves to only half the amount of money available? Let's make a system where one person can pay more than everyone else combined!"

If dolphins were the main interest, don't you think the game would be far better off selling... I dunno, Hime directly? 50 bucks per specific SSR Hime, buy as many as you want (instead of one per 4 months)! 10 bucks per specific SR. Can't afford it? Jewel random gacha is still there!

The amount of dolphins would skyrocket, don't you think? But, that'd mean capping the amount of money that Nutaku/DMM could make from whales. To a mere... uh, I dunno how much it is, 50*50 + 50*10 bucks or something like that. I can't be bothered to count the current count. Anyway, despite getting hundreds of new dolphins (maybe even thousands out of the ~8k Nutaku playerbase), it just isn't worth it to lose the whales.

Originally Posted by King_Electronics

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I don't care anymore, the point is, do you want that 15x rate up or not? --

Of course we want that. That's basically a requirement to keep the game going. Even whales value their time to SOME extent, and the amount of pulls that they need to do keeps increasing more and more with the release of every SSR Hime.

But this is this and that is that. Just because this is a thread about the 15x Rate Up, doesn't mean that we can't talk about other things.

Interesting, this topic really, I'm an f2p in kamihime but I once whaled in exvius, brave frontier, and potk. We also had similar discussion about how much does our whale actually spend on gacha. The most we found in our group spent a total of 50k$ before said person quit (BF), we know he's wealthy but his parents barred him from credit card when he got found out. I myself spent 2500$ on each game, but seeing the discussion here makes me pretty much a dophin lol.

I have question, does nutaku bought full license or partial license from dmm? the later doesn't include back-end access meaning they can't do anything about the rate, and the licensor tend to lower the rate when the revenue goes down (happened to potk). so which one is it?

As far as I know, that information is not public.

I think DMM has supposedly pulled other games from Nutaku, if that helps? Assuming that Nutaku has spoken true and not, you know, lied to us about it being DMM decision.