Thread: HELP US FIX THE GACHA RATE

Originally Posted by Slashley

You forget that none of these people you mention don't have any worth whatsoever. Dolphins are not the reason why F2P exists - whales are.

A single whale can easily pay ten times that much. Every. Single. Month.

That's the only reason why F2P exists, to find a whale and get more money from that guy - or maybe even his whale friends! - than what you could ever make by making an actual game.

Exactly what I said, worthless revenue of $20k monthly. And talking about whale is like talking religion, where are they, a single person spending $200k per month, who is it, should've been super famous right, such as one with all MLBed 100% eidolon, never seen one; best one I've seen is MLBed on only one of them, even thats using brick. All I see is at most are spoiled kids spending thousands monthly, thats not a whale, I had splurged like that when I was in my worst phase of gambling addiction (not in this game fortunately and not anymore). To make it simple, proof or it doesn't exist.
OR.. I just remembered what a pal told me along time ago, that those magical arab prince whaling (even in hentai games, yes!) are something made up as a cover to some kind of shady financial activity. So maybe thats good, meaning nutaku will still going strong, I don't care if they cook book for some romanian mob or something as long as I got my hentai.

We used to have one... but Maru quit
We have quite a few serious whales, but nothing on that level are left as far as I know.

ya i smelled rat too... i blew away 54k jewels and didnt get the banner himes. the rate ups are just too low.

There's no such thing as whale funding the majority, its a big fat lie to make dolphin felt insignificant so they're less likely to make a fuss if anything went wrong (they're especially scared of a mass refund, it can literally kill the company)
Ever since the era of crowdfunding, every project out there that has tiered investment/donation system has proven again and again that 99% of the money comes from dolphins.

Crowdfunding is something that you give money to once, and then forget about it.

Games work differently. You keep playing, and give money however often you want - and in today's lootbox(/gacha) bullshit, as much as you want with almost no limit.


For example, Nekopara kickstarter gathered 936k dollars. The highest donation was 10k. Yeah, you're right, 99% came from dolphins. But you know what? If it would be a game, this one guy could most likely afford to pay that 10k every day. For months. If not years. And not even notice the loss of money. Also, if Nekopara had put the top-prize at 10m, I bet this guy would've paid it. And oh look, suddenly a whale is responsible for pretty much all the money.

You are correct that mass refunds can kill companies though, getting chargebacked is EXPENSIVE.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Crowdfunding is something that you give money to once, and then forget about it.

Games work differently. You keep playing, and give money however often you want - and in today's lootbox(/gacha) bullshit, as much as you want with almost no limit.


For example, Nekopara kickstarter gathered 936k dollars. The highest donation was 10k. Yeah, you're right, 99% came from dolphins. But you know what? If it would be a game, this one guy could most likely afford to pay that 10k every day. For months. If not years. And not even notice the loss of money. Also, if Nekopara had put the top-prize at 10m, I bet this guy would've paid it. And oh look, suddenly a whale is responsible for pretty much all the money.

You are correct that mass refunds can kill companies though, getting chargebacked is EXPENSIVE.

You're fantasizing, if the maximum nekopara had earned was 936k, how likely is a single person that got backer's package of 10k would spend 10million! what I'm BETTING is that one 10k backer guy is an insider backing themself just to "look good" or simply baiting, which is a way too common tactic and a million times more likely.

And by the way, is this maru guy even a real player? For a telltale if he's genuine, did he ever buy gold for his union or friends? all those pseudo-whale out there done that, if not, how sure are you he's an actual player and not an insider "pretending just to look good", a bait (for dolphins of course, they'd have to sell their grandma for an actual whale), a kid emptying his parents bank account, or worse, a sucidal guy burning everything left before offing themself, the kind you find in most casino.

Originally Posted by King-Electronics

You're fantasizing, if the maximum nekopara had earned was 936k, how likely is a single person that got backer's package of 10k would spend 10million! what I'm BETTING is that one 10k backer guy is an insider backing themself just to "look good" or simply baiting, which is a way too common tactic and a million times more likely.

And by the way, is this maru guy even a real player? For a telltale if he's genuine, did he ever buy gold for his union or friends? all those pseudo-whale out there done that, if not, how sure are you he's an actual player and not an insider "pretending just to look good", a bait (for dolphins of course, they'd have to sell their grandma for an actual whale), a kid emptying his parents bank account, or worse, a sucidal guy burning everything left before offing themself, the kind you find in most casino.

you jerk, saying maru is dead is kinda rude mang. Becaus it can actually happen! Jesus I can't get this off my head now.

Originally Posted by King-Electronics

You're fantasizing, if the maximum nekopara had earned was 936k, how likely is a single person that got backer's package of 10k would spend 10million! what I'm BETTING is that one 10k backer guy is an insider backing themself just to "look good" or simply baiting, which is a way too common tactic and a million times more likely.

The very same guy bought a Steam trading card from me at 50 euros.

And my god, did I feel like an idiot after that. He would've paid thousands just for the sake of being the first one to get his hands on a virtual badge on his virtual Steam account. And I sold one of the pieces to him for just fifty euros...

Sigh. I doubt I'll ever again be the first person to get a Foil card of anything ever again, but if I do, lesson learned: start high. For people who have more money than common sense, the price is just a number.

Originally Posted by King-Electronics

You're fantasizing, if the maximum nekopara had earned was 936k, how likely is a single person that got backer's package of 10k would spend 10million! what I'm BETTING is that one 10k backer guy is an insider backing themself just to "look good" or simply baiting, which is a way too common tactic and a million times more likely.

And by the way, is this maru guy even a real player? For a telltale if he's genuine, did he ever buy gold for his union or friends? all those pseudo-whale out there done that, if not, how sure are you he's an actual player and not an insider "pretending just to look good", a bait (for dolphins of course, they'd have to sell their grandma for an actual whale), a kid emptying his parents bank account, or worse, a sucidal guy burning everything left before offing themself, the kind you find in most casino.

Let's ignore whatever numbers there are... ever heard of exaggeration to make the point? Personally I'm not sure of the numbers, and I won't say it's true or not. But... you get the point he's making. Right? Regardless of what you feel?

Or look at this way. The point is made if the number is exaggerated. What if it isn't? Even better, there's actual people willing to go this far, therefore cementing said point.

Originally Posted by Slashley

The very same guy bought a Steam trading card from me at 50 euros.

And my god, did I feel like an idiot after that. He would've paid thousands just for the sake of being the first one to get his hands on a virtual badge on his virtual Steam account. And I sold one of the pieces to him for just fifty euros...

Sigh. I doubt I'll ever again be the first person to get a Foil card of anything ever again, but if I do, lesson learned: start high. For people who have more money than common sense, the price is just a number.

I thought 50 euros was pretty darn high already tbh, but oh wells, concept of money for the rich.