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After almost two months of grinding, my scrapped-together, f2p team can finally beat AQ4 as long as I manual, which turns me to my next objective before AQ5: GO. I've never beaten it before, going up to stage four at maximum against Reiki, but seeing dream beat Icarus with a crappy wind team has me thinking that I must be doing something wrong.

As my (insane or abysmal, depending on how you look at it) luck would have it, I have three 100%'s: Hraes, Rudra, and Kirin. But there's a catch: I have exactly zero SSR himes in any of those three elements. The only SSRs I own happen to be the Michael and Vishnu I started out with and a trio of BFM Amon, Prometheus and Amaterasu.

The team (46k total power) I'm running for most, if not all content is Herc with LB2 axe (EX SS), Diana, BFM Amon, Michael and Vishnu. I know BFM Amon is contentious but she just buffs Herc, speeds up bursts and offers damage reduction all in one, plus I can achieve def down cap from just Diana and Herc. However, I feel like I could somehow do this GO with my fire team instead, considering Prometheus' strength against wind.

I would like to know what team I could put together to beat GO, because this feels like the next step towards finishing the content that is always there (idk what to spend ori on yet, but hey, I still want them).

Thanks in advance!

Originally Posted by Lyrelia

After almost two months of grinding, my scrapped-together, f2p team can finally beat AQ4 as long as I manual, which turns me to my next objective before AQ5: GO. I've never beaten it before, going up to stage four at maximum against Reiki, but seeing dream beat Icarus with a crappy wind team has me thinking that I must be doing something wrong.

Yeah, you didn't get Gaia from gacha, you scrub. That makes an entire world of difference.

Originally Posted by Lyrelia

-- (idk what to spend ori on yet, but hey, I still want them).--

You'll need them for FLBs, which once piled up make a world of difference in power. Not sure how many FLB-able weapons you have, though.


And it's hard to give advice on whether or not you should run Fire or Light against this, since we know next to nothing about your account. What kind of Grids do you have for these elements? We know you have Maid Amon and Prometheus, but what else?
And I guess most importantly... have you tried running GO with your Light team, and kind of a problem do you run into?

Light Grid is by far the most developed, with Light Herc Axe as well as a Phantom staff, two LB3 light weapons from last UE, Reshep's Fire staff LB3, two SR disaster hammers as well as the dark SSR from panel as well as LB0 Michael and Vishnu weapons. SR light himes are Diana, Attar, Sati, Artemis, Hermes, Uranus, Durga, Sukunahikona, and Belenus.

Fire Grid by contrast is far weaker, with 2 Resheph's staff LB3, Marchosias's arcane LB3 and LB0 Amon, Prometheus and Amaterasu weapons being the only fire weapons. The rest of the slots are decked out with whatever high stats I can pop into place (aka all light weapons). SR fire himes are Culyune and Motu (yes, I know, absolute shit, but elemental advantage... maybe?)

To answer your final question, I haven't tried out Icarus yet but last time against Reiki, the most common cause of me losing was an AOE wanpanning everyone across the board, leaving no one to tank for Vishnu.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Yeah, you didn't get Gaia from gacha, you scrub. That makes an entire world of difference.

Yeah, Gaia AW to be precise, her AW form at lvl 75+ is just nuts. I basically tried to create more Gaia AW clones with soul and himes and cheese through it. If your Gaia is not AW, you actually need to be able to hit stuff to get through this GO.

Btw, this isn't all or nothing. Dmg mitigation in general is very good even if you can't create near complete immunity, and it can complement not just substitute heal - if you mitigate 50% of dmg on average, your heal is effectively twice as powerful in the sense that one heal can last you twice as long (same can be said for atk down for debuffable enemies) - hope that point didn't get lost in my cheese. Remember, GO drops potions after every wave, so literally everyone has heal even if you don't bring healers.

Originally Posted by Lyrelia

After almost two months of grinding, my scrapped-together, f2p team can finally beat AQ4 as long as I manual, which turns me to my next objective before AQ5: GO. I've never beaten it before, going up to stage four at maximum against Reiki, but seeing dream beat Icarus with a crappy wind team has me thinking that I must be doing something wrong.

Firstly, congrats on clearing AQ4! That is an important milestone as SSR accessories are noticeably better than SR and won't go obsolete for a long while. The step from SSR to ancient is important but the difference isn't as stark as going from SR to SSR.

Onto GO, just want to make sure you are aware that if you beat the first 2 waves consistently, that is already enough to earn 1 ori every cycle - 4 points from week 1 (participate 3 times, participate 5 times, clear wave 1 3 times, clear wave 2 3 times) and then 2 points from week 2 (participate 5 times, clear wave 2 3 times). You should get in the habit of doing GO even if you can't clear it, 'cos 1 ori is better than no ori.

Light Grid is by far the most developed, with Light Herc Axe as well as a Phantom staff, two LB3 light weapons from last UE

With those 1 ori per cycle, you'll have enough to FLB a UE weapon after 3 cycles, which as Slashley mentioned, will give you a noticeable boost in power. You have a fast light team but no Sol, so I would FLB the light UE axe first, which gives you exceed (the light UE staff gives you ascension.)

LB0 Michael and Vishnu weapons.

Make sure you don't fodder these or LB them with dupes if gacha gives you dupes (unless you don't do tower, in that case, let me try to convince you to do tower )

SR light himes are Diana, Attar, Sati, Artemis, Hermes, Uranus, Durga, Sukunahikona, and Belenus.

Since you have Attar, I have to ask, do you have Kubera? She is a light R hime. Kubera + Attar is another Gaia AW wannabe combo, but with a pretty high CD and Kubera eats her own hp if you put up her AoE defenses (but totally worth it in the right situations.) Dmg mitigation is close to non-existent for light at the SR level (we have Metis now, but she has her own problems.) If you don't have Kubera, and you can't wanpan/close to wanpan, I would recommend using Joan for GO including Icarus (or Roland if you can spare the EX slot.) You're gonna be tanking a lot of dmg if you fight Icarus head-on and can't bypass her heal/cleanse triggers.

but elemental advantage... maybe?

Generally, fighting with elemental advantage is a pretty big deal, but if you're using light weapons in your fire grid, your assault/defender values are going to be pretty abysmal, not to mention Marchosias' weapon kinda sucks, so I'm not sure. If you at least had full disaster grid, I would think fire is easier for this GO than your light team.

To answer your final question, I haven't tried out Icarus yet but last time against Reiki, the most common cause of me losing was an AOE wanpanning everyone across the board, leaving no one to tank for Vishnu.

Classic light teams problem. You don't have enough dmg mitigation - not hard to solve at SSR level - Shamash, Athena, Eros and in the right situations Raphy are all good at mitigating dmg. For SR level though, you're stuck with just atk down debuffs (and no C frame either.) Also, even if you successfully debuff Icaraus, she'll cleanse it all, twice. I think it's worth giving Joan a try - what I did back when I was fighting with 45k-ish team was dmg cut one OD, heal/potions before the next OD, then dmg cut should be off CD for the OD after, heal off CD for OD after etc. I had Sol AW even back then though, you'll need to survive on Attar and potions, so you need to hit harder or have more hp than I did or just give up on all members survive mission (I ran with 9-10k hp in combat last time I did Icarus iirc.)

If nothing seems to work, try to survive until Icarus does a normal OD and hope the rst down on her sticks. She'll be easier to debuff after and hopefully Herc + Mike + Vishnu can get in a couple FB before Icarus cleanses herself (your Mike is AW right? If not, this is gonna be hard.) Save Herc's nuke or FB for when you're ready to push her heal/cleanse trigger - it has priority over OD iirc, so push it at full orbs to bypass one AoE (this trick works for many GO btw.)

More cheese using healers to turtle instead of Gaia AW, and once again Icarus burns herself to death - 42k light team AAB clear, no losses XD

1 SSR (Sol not AW), 3 SR, no subs. In theory this works with any healers, nothing specific about Sol. As long as you have some ascension weapons lying around (LB0 is fine, I used three LB0 SR ascension weapons) and you have a handful of healer himes of the same element, you can replicate this build, so it is much more accessible than my previous dmg nullify build.


Lyrelia, I happen to have the himes you have, so I tried using your team with a power level that I think is pretty close to what you described - my UE weapons are FLB, so I left one weapon slot blank to try to offset that somewhat; I also needed two defender weapons, but the only ones I had on-hand were all dual-skills, so I left two more slots blank for a total of three blanks (you can replicate a dual skill weapon with two disaster weapons.) I was able to clear just under 15T. I am using MLB Shingen's lance with Joan - it might work with other weapons, too, but will be slightly harder to control the flow of battle without the lance. Made a few mistakes here and there, but hopefully this will be a useful reference point for you.

Thank you so much for your detailed replies dream, I really really really appreciate it.

On the topic of Kubera, yes I do have her, I'm assuming that I should run her so that she can combo with Attar to "nullify" a hit? Also, I tried using the turtle strategy with Andro, Diana, Sati, Attar and Vishnu, but I decided to run subs (which, looking back, was probably my downfall). I got pretty close to finishing Icarus, slightly closer than me running my normal team, so I'm hoping that if I don't run subs and put more ascension + defender I can finish it. I'm assuming that I should swap Sati out for Kubera?

Once again, thank you so much for your time explaining it out to me, tbh I would never have thought that turtling it out would allow me to fare better than just trying to nuke it.

Originally Posted by Lyrelia

On the topic of Kubera, yes I do have her, I'm assuming that I should run her so that she can combo with Attar to block an overdrive?

I use Attar + Kubera the same way I use Gaia AW - if the boss OD is not AoE, use Attar cover + Kubera nullify; if it is AoE or nullify is on CD, use Kubera's 40% def up. Kubera's nullify CD is much longer than Gaia but her def up is shorter. Gaia is easy to use with Joan/Roland 'cos everything is on 6T CD while using Kubera with Joan/Roland requires you to keep closer tabs on CD 'cos they go out of sync a lot.

If you plan to do infinite turtling with Kubera, you need to make sure you bring enough heal/ascension. If you're just like one or two OD from finishing Icarus off, just sacrifice her and let a sub finish taking down the boss (we don't need everyone to survive until next week anyway.)

Kubera is weaker than Gaia obviously, but I actually find her pretty flexible - her short 2/4 CD for def up means you can mitigate 2 OD 3T apart by casting the first one 1T before 1st OD; if you're not bringing Attar, Kubera's nullify can be used to protect the soul instead. Also, for 'normal' strategy where you're not like trying to turtle for 20+ turns, the single target potions are usually enough to keep Kubera alive for GO.

Also, I tried using the turtle strategy with Andro, Diana, Sati, Attar and Vishnu, but I decided to run subs (which, looking back, was probably my downfall).

I'm assuming that means you did have to revive someone? Which wave did himes start dying? If it's wave 4, you can try to wait out the 90 seconds DATA buff on the boss for max cheese points.

I got pretty close to finishing Icarus, slightly closer than me running my normal team, so I'm hoping that if I don't run subs and put more ascension + defender I can finish it. I'm assuming that I should swap Sati out for Kubera?

That depends. If using Kubera allows you to essentially survive indefinitely, then yes, as long as you have the patience to cheese through the battles. If you intend to use Kubera to turtle forever though, you need to be careful about your defender/ascension ratios 'cos using Kubera to tank means you need to heal up 15% of her hp on top of regular dmg. Push your defender values too high, and your healers may not be able to keep up - too low and she might die from an OD or TA.

PSA: if you scorched Icarus with Modred's outrage ability, she will behave as if she scorched herself (i.e. not AoE outside of OD.) However, that isn't necessarily a good thing 'cos Mordred's scorch does like 5k dmg while Icarus is 275k (my 45k power all SR Mordred run failed because of this, will try again tomorrow.)

I have also heard reports of Mordred's scorch overwriting Icarus'. I haven't been able to verify it myself, but if your plan relies on Icarus scorching herself to death, it may be best to avoid casting outrage on Icarus (which makes Mordred even more useless; Sieg might actually be easier if you managed to make it to Icarus without using up all your potions.)

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

I have also heard reports of Mordred's scorch overwriting Icarus'. --

While I haven't tested, I am under the impression that indeed, DoT power is not checked and will always just be overwritten whenever successful.

It is true, Scorched from Mordred or other sources can overwrite Icarus'