Thread: Soul weapon discussion

Originally Posted by Itoshira

I got me the staff for Morgan for the party-rampage and from what it looks like it works as it should. I get the partywide effect and the damage is twice as high as usual attacks. Unless there were other changes that I'm not aware of, this looks to work properly so far.

That's interesting. Without the weapon it's still single-target (just tested). This combination of single-target Berserk without a Soul weapon and party-wide with never existed in the DMM version, I think.

I went ahead and bought a copy, and it works exactly as you describe. The effect applies 1-by-1 to each party member, which is annoying since it wastes time.

Did some digging around the JP wiki.

There should be a change coming up to make her rampage skill party-wide by default. The difference between using a relic or not is the multiplier of the rampage.

Without relic, the effect of rampage seems to be 1.2 times while with relic it is 2 times.

So the relic is fine, it is just a different multiplier between using a relic or not when that change happens.

Edit: I noticed this on a couple abilities, mainly party-wide buffs that they are added seperatly instead of all at once. Not all do that, but some. Hell knows for what reason though.

Sorry to dig this off, but what is the best weapon for Shingen at the end of the day ?

Let's say we're considering Fire team (with something like 2 SSRs), debuff irrelevant. Would you say Lance is definetely better ? (I'm leaning towards this, but a 40~50% burst dmg increase with the Bow sounds Ok I guess, especially if you just go for LB0 Bow for somehow a Burst Build)

You almost always want the offensive weapon, since 30% Elemental Attack is just too much to pass up on. The skill-buffing is better for most HP weapons, excluding Herc and Morgan. Also, Shingen's weapons fulfill a different role:

1. The offensive weapon allows Shingen to use PF without outside help
2. The defensive weapons lets your bursts hit like a truck, but Shingen will need help from the party

Most of the time, the offensive weapon is better even for Shingen since, again, the 30% Elemental Attack is just too much. It's something to consider if you own Belial yourself and are running a friend Belial as well, though.

Well thats the thing. I actually have the the bow and use a build that manages to get the help shingen needs for a full burst. I also have a Belial.

So is it still worth it to go for the lance?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Well thats the thing. I actually have the the bow and use a build that manages to get the help shingen needs for a full burst. I also have a Belial.

So is it still worth it to go for the lance?

Wait, who in Fire even can do that?

Anyway, it's up to you. You meet both requirements to use the Bow effectively - if you feel like you prefer that gamestyle, go ahead. The only downside is that you're locked into whoever helps Shingen at all times.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Wait, who in Fire even can do that?

Anyway, it's up to you. You meet both requirements to use the Bow effectively - if you feel like you prefer that gamestyle, go ahead. The only downside is that you're locked into whoever helps Shingen at all times.

Svarog Ares Uriel comes pretty close all things considered. Svarog has her +20 burst, and Ares Uriel have their respective combo+ passives. Sure, it's not as absolutely optimised as wind, but it's possible. The last girl will be the deadweight though.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Wait, who in Fire even can do that?

I can use zeal with Ragaraja, but tbh, I dont even do it, as Im getting at least one double attack most of the time.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Svarog Ares Uriel comes pretty close all things considered. Svarog has her +20 burst, and Ares Uriel have their respective combo+ passives. Sure, it's not as absolutely optimised as wind, but it's possible. The last girl will be the deadweight though.

Interesting, would you suggest I use the Bow instead of the Lance for my wind team then ?

Shingen, Cu Chulainn, Titania, Poseidon, Iblis, Oberon, Principality

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Svarog Ares Uriel comes pretty close all things considered.--

I meant help Shingen reach her 100 burst again after PF~

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I can use zeal with Ragaraja, but tbh, I dont even do it, as Im getting at least one double attack most of the time.

Well, if you're willing to entrust your soul to RNG, go for it.