So I've rolled a bunch of SSR's lately, but they're pretty much all spread out element wise. I'm looking for advice on how to power up from here (AKA Miracle Ticket usage, gacha look-outs, etc.):
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Legendary Souls: Andromeda, Arthur
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SSR Kamihime: Metatron (4/4), Gaia (2/4), Ryu-Oh (2/4), [Emperor of Hell] Beelzebub (2/4), Azazel (1/4)
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SSR Eidolon (Gacha): Takemikazuchi (1/4), Fenrir (0/4), Echidna (0/4), Ouroboros (0/4), Huanglong (0/4)
SSR Eidolon (Event): Phoenix (2/4), Yam (3/4), Pazuzu (4/4), Meng Huo (4/4)
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Comments:
So yeah, it's all over the place. In particular, I'm considering specializing towards Light since my Metatron is already fully limit broken and she will (eventually) be awakenable (still don't know what she does tho), but Phoenix feels kind of crappy for a main Eidolon. I also have a bunch of max limit broken SR weapons and high Shine Assault skill level on them.
I have a lot of Dark/Thunder Eidolons, but no Dark/Thunder SSR Kamihime. I do have SR [Moonlight Archer] Diana. For Fire, I also hear that Beelzebub isn't a good SSR (though I do have the SR Fire Eligos that's supposed to shore up her weaknesses).
Fenrir is decent for water, and I have Ryu-Oh and SR Triton, Belphegor to support it. I also randomly have SSR Dragon Slasher Gram and the SSR Yam Bow, all of which give me Water Attack Up (+)/(++) and Dbl ATK Up, so this seems promising.
As for Wind, I do have Gaia who is core and another wind SSR (who I never hear talked about), and I guess Takemikazuki is okay as a main Eidolon for that. This seems promising, but I don't how approach it.
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What I Currently Use
Main Line-Up: Arthur --- Metatron --- Ryu-Oh / Gaia --- [Moonlight Archer] Diana --- Artemis
Sub Line-Up: Attar --- (anything)
Currently, what I do is one of two variations of the same strategy to clear Ultimate Advent Battles / Tier 2 Accessory quests: sandbag the trash at the beginning and stack the shit out of Metatron's Countdown+. Then I blast the boss with Ryu-Oh's Atk/Def/Overdrive Down or Gawain's EX Ambush and normal attack until they're raging -> Full Buff + Full Burst. I only swap Ryu-Oh if the enemy is Thunder and I change Arthur/Andromeda based on whether I actually need to heal damage from the trash at the beginning/during the battle. Otherwise, I only have Dark Diana in the party to use her as a one-time healer + ATK buff, with Attar as a recovery sub in case someone goes down and I need more.
It's a pretty streaky strategy. I typically either obliterate the boss or get obliterated by an Overdrive/bad RNG.
I imagine the extension of this strategy is to replace Dark Diana with an actual healer (and light type) Sol, Artemis with her SSR version so that I don't have to skill Ambush, and unlocking Shingen so that Arthur can use Provisional Forest and Full Burst the boss into oblivion every 6 turns. Also, having a better Light Eidolon (Archangel if not Managarmr) would help too.
As for subs, I have no idea. I like Attar as a sub since when she comes in, everyone is usually low so her heal is very potent, but I don't know what to replace her with or to slot last even in the future.
I also don't know what to replace Ryu-Oh/Gaia with. Maybe Michael or Eros?
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Other Thoughts
I need to get Draconic Eye Shards faster (30 weeks too long), but I have no clue on how to build and all R team (I imagine I need D'Artagnan and her Sniper Shot), and I'm pretty sure I get obliterated on Ragnarok without Elemental Advantage (haven't tried yet, only at 33k ATK).
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In Conclusion:
Sorry for the long and scattered post. tl;dr - I wanna know who I should do in the long term and what Kamihime selections I should look out for, what I should do with my other elements, what Souls I should go for next (e.g. Mordred, Joan, D'Artagnan?) or if I should just react based on Eidolon RNG. idk lots of ways you could answer this thread I guess.
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Need Advice on How to Power-Up From Here (Long-Term)
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The "which Soul should I use?" thread should answer that.
Originally Posted by KTA
As for the rest, well, you're nowhere near the powerlevels you need to be yet to be worrying about... much of anything, really. Unless you're going to buy your way to victory, that is. Keep doing events for all the SSRs, keep rolling the Gem Gacha to upgrade your Grids.
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Ehh, with what you have so far, it's too early to call into specializing in any one element. Metatron is a pretty crap pick to build a team around. I have her, and would currently label her as a trash tier hime. As you mentioned though, she does get an awakening later on which makes her strong'ish then, but that's still quite a whiles away. Ryu is decent for water, and Gaia is decent for Wind, but all of this really depends on what else you have to build around them. Originally Posted by KTA
When in doubt, just focus on getting all the SSR/SR assault wpns from events for grid building in every element. That way you'll be prepared for whatever route future gacha RNG throws at you. If Light is currently your strongest, then by all means use it for clearing stuff. But eventually gacha might throw other himes at you that might make for a stronger element then. And by end game, you'll want to be able to specialize in every element anyway.
For beginners, Mordred is probably the best all-around soul, both in terms of utility & survivability for your team. From there you can eventually branch out to things like D'art/Joan as you've listed. There is already a soul thread, and several team building threads all around the forums, so just use the search function to read up on past threads as all that information has probably already been repeated a 100 times.✦ Union Leader of Ixion (Kamihime Game ID#: 1318886 | Discord ID: VeryVoodoo#0081)
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I love how well designed this thread is, so I'm gonna give it a couple hours before closing it down.
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Kamihime ID: 2700172 Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac
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Listing your himes would help if you're looking for team composition advice. Personally, I don't recommend using more than 1 off element in a team. Early game it might be okay but once you start filling out your weapon grid and leveling your skills, they'll be a large loss in damage if their skill isn't essential.
Stat debuffs. Learn about them and utilize them. They are an important factor in this game.
Souls are there to fill the gaps that your himes lack. Mordred and D'art are generally the priority go-to's for new player as D'art provides a strong debuff and Mordred provides Black Propaganda, which is basically RyuOh's orb ability. Getting Arthur first is usually a trap for new players as she doesn't provide anything important to the team other than damage. Gawain can often be better use since she has Ambush as a regular skill meaning she can use another debuff as a ex skill. There are also soul weapons that are a important factor but the items to get them is likely not something you'll be able to properly farm yet.
Level your weapons and their skills, especially focus on weapons with skills related to increasing your damage. Continue to collect weapons and eidolons from events.
For your main eidolons, you can buy a 45% elemental atk ones from the orb exchange shop, or a 40% character atk/20% hp ones which might be more useful in some cases. Take note that elemental atk and character elemental atk are not the same modifiers and not all elements have both variations available from the shop.Last edited by Aidoru; 10-21-2018 at 08:39 PM.
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@OP,
i suggest you build a team around Water. Ryu-oh is a top tier SSR hime in water lineup and the water element is F2P friendly. then u can build a wind team around Gaia as your backup element, in case your water team run into problems against Thunder events.
for mtix, i suggest the following priority: Vohu Manah (after Feb 2019) > Ashera > Snow Raph > Aphrodite
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Thank you for your response. I read through your thread just now, but I still have some questions. In particular: Originally Posted by Slashley
- Do I need Mordred if I already have Ryu-Oh to fill that gap? (basically, am I at the point where I might as well skip Mordred?)
- But at the same time, I imagine Mordred is very effective for fulfilling the R-Kamihime Advent battle mission?
- Based on the above points, my current understanding is to prioritize either {D'Artagnan > Joan > Mordred} or {Mordred > D'Artagnan > Joan}, or should I consider other Souls?
- I understand Hercules is the best right now, but I'm right now, I'm very far from her (Spartacus (100) -> Achilles (300) + Rosenkruez (200) + Hercules (600) = 1200 SP). I'm thinking I should skip Hercules for now?
- Shingen is soon to come, but how does Arthur + Provisional Forest fare? (though the obvious conclusion to just unlock Shingen either way)
For reference, I'm 33k ATK so I'm close to hitting the 40k mark, and my current rank is 57.
Yeah, I definitely fell into the Arthur trap at the start. I'm considering Mordred mostly based on whether it would allow me to clear the R-only Kamihime missions. Originally Posted by Aidoru
I'd like to list out my himes, but maintenance just went out and this thread might close soon. (To Laventale: Sorry! I didn't use the Q&A thread because my initial post got so bloated, but I'll make sure to do so next time)
The Orb Exchange shop thing totally escaped me, I barely even remembered it existed until just now. I also had no idea that Character ATK UP is different from Elemental ATK UP. Is there a rule of thumb for which one is better? I would guess Elemental ATK since it sounds like it's post-damage amplification, but I guess if the Weapon Grid offers Elemental ATK UP, that makes it more complicated. Worst comes to worst, if they're similar, I could probably graph them against Character ATK and Skill % to determine otherwise.
Water Team Composition Questions Originally Posted by QXZ
So from what I understand from dictionary translating the JP wiki, Vohu Manah is basically used for her 3rd skill, a 6T mass 30% Water Vulnerability UP for 120 sec piggybacked on a Fire damage AoE costing 30% burst?
(I think her passive is that after taking damage, she has a 5% chance of resetting her skills? Which is why her 2nd skill allows her to instantly attack and deals recoil damage, and 1st skill guarantees a triple attack after a water AoE.)
Ashera, as in アーシラト? So she's a team Water DMG and burst gauge/damage buffer?
And then Snow Raphael for B-Frame debuffing and gauge control?
And finally, Aphrodite for healing, affliction mitigation, and Combo ATK UP for further stacking burst? (basically a better SSR Nike's role since A-frame DEF down is stronger on Ryu-Oh I'm guessing)
That sounds really good, especially Vohu Manah's debuff helping Ryu-Oh stacking her own. I'm guessing Ashera over the other two because the build would lack in damage otherwise? And I would need to find either a substitute healer for Aphrodite or run Andromeda if so? After reaching Ahera though, are you supposed to run Shingen to stack more burst gauge?
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Wind Team Composition Questions
For a team around Gaia, should I look out for SSR Cybele as the next priority, running Andromeda as the healer? And I heard some people trash on Azael; does that change with her Awakening (though that's REALLY far off)?
Sorry for all the questions, and thank you so much for the clear response.Last edited by Laventale; 10-21-2018 at 10:55 PM. Reason: Triple post
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Kamihime ID: 2700172 Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac
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@OP,
Water Team:
Ashera has priority because her burst up has no replacement. Snow Raph can be replaced by Cthulhu and Aphrodite can be replaced by SSR Nike. worst comes to worse.... you can use SR Nike and SR Belphagor while you wait for more SSR himes.
finally.... Vohu Manah is just too good to pass over. her 3rd skill give 30% debuff x2, which is the strongest in the game.
Wind Team:
Since you have Gaia, SSR Cybele / Arianrod / Ideal are the ones you should be looking for. but you should finish building ur water team before focusing on Wind
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Ryu-Oh kind of fulfills the same role, but Mordred is super good. The thing is, Ryu-Oh's Black Propaganda has a fairly bad hit-rate. With elemental advantage + Mordred's Debuff Resistance Down + 6% Affliction from Accessories, it STILL doesn't reach 100%. Close, but not guaranteed. So, if you're not going to run Mordred? It'll be even worse. You'll run Ryu-Oh without elemental advantage? Even wose. I doubt you have proper Accessories yet, so even worse. In other words - Ryu-Oh will miss A LOT if you intend to use her in every team. You might still want to since her A debuffs are super good as a new player, but don't rely on her. Originally Posted by KTA
tl;dr; No, Ryu-Oh doesn't replace Mordred.
R Hime are generally terrible, but Advent Ragnaroks are super weak. Once you have your Grid set-up, you'll blaze through these. Until then... either Mordred or Joan are your best bets. But if it's Dragon Eye Shards you're after, you should rather be looking for a strong Union. Top5 Unions get ~15 Shards a month. You won't make it one of those probably, but you could get into one that gets ~8 or more.
As I said in my thread, Hercules is super good. However, before you get to Hercules, get the other basics down. You have Gawain and Cass at least (btw Andromeda is a WAY bigger newbie trap than cheap Arthur...), but grab the rest of the basics and then Hercules. A lot of Hercules' power comes from her Relic weapon, and you're too weak to farm those at the moment. By the time you'll be able to get somewhere on those bosses and you can buy Relic weapons, then you're probably starting to be at the stage where you can drop Mordred. If you don't have Hercules unlocked at this point, you'll be sorry...To super simplify the damage formula, it's BaseAtk*CharacterAtk*ElementalAtk. If you play around in that, you'll notice through the power of mathematics that the "best one" is the "lower one." So if you have less CharacterAtk, then it's better to increase CharacterAtk. Originally Posted by KTA
The thing is, your weapon skills (Assault) are CharacterAtk. This is why your Grid is so important. You can reach 130% CharacterAtk(/Assault) just from your Grid. That means that the best thing to get from Eidolons (for damage) is ElementalAtk, since you already have up to 130% (10x slvl20 SR Assaults) from Grid.. This is why Elemental Eidolons are by far better for veteran players. For you? 40% CharacterAtk + 20% HP is probably way better than 45% ElementalAtk since I assume your Grids are weak.
Notice two things about ElementalAtk though - Relic weapons give 30% ElementalAtk and elemental advantage is 45% ElementalAtk. If you're running both (which you won't for a long time since you're not strong enough to farm Relics just yet), then you'll have 117%+ CharacterAtk and 75% ElementalAtk before your Eidolons. At this point, it's ideal to pick a P2W Eidolon from Friend List (100% Elemental ones) and bring your own CharacterAtk + HP. 157%+ CharacterAtk and 175% ElementalAtk, a good balance, plus you get 20% HP to boot.
But again, for now, your biggest limiter is your Grid. Farm SR/SSR Assault weapons from events and and Disaster raids, level those up with GemGacha.And it should be noted that Vohu is super good against Fire, but not all that good elsewhere. Originally Posted by QXZ
Last edited by Slashley; 10-22-2018 at 03:08 AM.
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