AQ5 thread

[Slashley]

FYI - you can easily tank the boss with a kaiser --

Here is your problem #1. How many people have all six Kaisers?

+ elemental RST from a hime/soul--

Problem #2. No Soul has elemental Resist buffs. So which Hime from Gem Gacha have this? Or how about SRs that have it for all elements?

+ DEF buff from hime/soul --

Def buff does basically nothing against high numbers like these. Mind you, Def buffs don't add up to damage cuts. If you have 90% damage cut and 20% Def up, it's basically the same as 91% damage cut. Is that less damage taken than with 90% damage cut? Yes it is. But not by much, and probably won't be enough.

Def up is a pretty damn bad buff, honestly. I'll gladly take them in Accessories, but that's about it.

+ 50% ATK debuff

Yup, though getting to 50% might be a problem for some people. 40%ish is easily possible, though. But if we go with 90% damage cut again, 50% Atk debuff is the same as 95% damage cut.


All in all, rather than rely on elemental Resist buffs which are only on specific, few Hime, it's better to just stack damage cuts. But even those aren't THAT common to "easily tank" the boss if you ask me. Or would you like to explain exactly how one can easily achieve this?

[SlickFenix]

All in all, rather than rely on elemental Resist buffs which are only on specific, few Hime, it's better to just stack damage cuts. But even those aren't THAT common to "easily tank" the boss if you ask me. Or would you like to explain exactly how one can easily achieve this?

Whale!!

[Ikki]

All in all, rather than rely on elemental Resist buffs which are only on specific, few Hime, it's better to just stack damage cuts. But even those aren't THAT common to "easily tank" the boss if you ask me. Or would you like to explain exactly how one can easily achieve this?

It's just another option for those who have the tools for it, assuming no one has nothing is kinda dumb at this point, its an AQ5 thread after all.

[Cobblemaniac]

Here is your problem #1. How many people have all six Kaisers?Problem #2. No Soul has elemental Resist buffs. So which Hime from Gem Gacha have this? Or how about SRs that have it for all elements?Def buff does basically nothing against high numbers like these. Mind you, Def buffs don't add up to damage cuts. If you have 90% damage cut and 20% Def up, it's basically the same as 91% damage cut. Is that less damage taken than with 90% damage cut? Yes it is. But not by much, and probably won't be enough.

Def up is a pretty damn bad buff, honestly. I'll gladly take them in Accessories, but that's about it.Yup, though getting to 50% might be a problem for some people. 40%ish is easily possible, though. But if we go with 90% damage cut again, 50% Atk debuff is the same as 95% damage cut.


All in all, rather than rely on elemental Resist buffs which are only on specific, few Hime, it's better to just stack damage cuts. But even those aren't THAT common to "easily tank" the boss if you ask me. Or would you like to explain exactly how one can easily achieve this?

Joan relic.

Which honestly is worth the regalia for most ppl in this forum.

[Slashley]

It's just another option for those who have the tools for it, assuming no one has nothing is kinda dumb at this point, its an AQ5 thread after all.

While true, the annoying thing about damage cuts is that more and more commonly it's on the Resist side of things. Which will only apply for for one element. You might get enough for one or two elements - but will you get a full set?

Joan relic.

Which honestly is worth the regalia for most ppl in this forum.

If you need the Joan Soul weapon, then you're lacking in damage output. If you bring a HP Soul weapon, you're really not helping that problem. Even if you get yourself four more turns... will that be enough to make it?

[Gludateton]

While true, the annoying thing about damage cuts is that more and more commonly it's on the Resist side of things. Which will only apply for for one element. You might get enough for one or two elements - but will you get a full set?

And why exactly it has to be either "kill Andro fast with all elements" or "defend from Andro overdrive with all elements" ? Different elements may require different tactics for some people, it's not required to have resist in all elements but in one when you need it.

If you need the Joan Soul weapon, then you're lacking in damage output. If you bring a HP Soul weapon, you're really not helping that problem. Even if you get yourself four more turns... will that be enough to make it?

Five.
Also while I do agree that just killing Andro fast is easiest strategy for most people, different ones can work too.
Like for example:
1. Joan + Snow Raphy. 90% damage cut against all with 6T cd, add damage cut eido for nice 100% damage cut and you defended from overdrive once however many times you like if Raphy hits with orb eat.
2. Joan + Athena. 100% damage cut against water with 6T cd, you need to add BP to get it done more than once.
3. Joan + Raiko. 90% damage cut against all with 6T cd, need additional 10% and BP.
4. Joan + Gaia. 100% damage cut (with AW you don't even need Soul weapon against thunder), need BP to work more than once.
5. Joan + Bryamaterasu SR Konohana-Sakuya. 90% damage cut against wind with 6T cd, need additional 10% and BP.
There are probably more, those are the ones that I remember.
You can also go with other options of course, those are the ones with Joan. Hell, you can always go full retard mode and ask friend for 20%+ cut eido and get one for yourself, you'll have 100% damage cut with only Joan ! With epic damage like this you'll probably have problems getting to stage 3 though.

[Slashley]

And why exactly it has to be either "kill Andro fast with all elements" or "defend from Andro overdrive with all elements" ? Different elements may require different tactics for some people, it's not required to have resist in all elements but in one when you need it.

True enough.

Like for example:
1. Joan + Snow Raphy. 90% damage cut against all with 6T cd, add damage cut eido for nice 100% damage cut and you defended from overdrive once however many times you like if Raphy hits with orb eat.
2. Joan + Athena. 100% damage cut against water with 6T cd, you need to add BP to get it done more than once.
3. Joan + Raiko. 90% damage cut against all with 6T cd, need additional 10% add BP.
4. Joan + Gaia. 100% damage cut (with AW you don't even need Soul weapon against thunder), need BP to work more than once.
5. Joan + Bryamaterasu SR Konohana-Sakuya. 90% damage cut against wind with 6T cd, need additional 10% and BP.
There are probably more, those are the ones that I remember.

And again, very specific Hime. Sure it's doable with any of these, but a multitude of these are specific SSRs. Heck, all of them are specific SSRs except for the specific SR which is limited time only.

You can also go with other options of course, those are the ones with Joan. Hell, you can always go full retard mode and ask friend for 20%+ cut eido and get one for yourself, you'll have 100% damage cut with only Joan ! With epic damage like this you'll probably have problems getting to stage 3 though.

Uuuh, Eidolons are -10% each, so the maximum you can reach is -80% with Joan's defensive Soul weapon. Which with 50% Atk Down will still leave 9k-ish party-wide damage. While certainly survivalable for us, anyone who'd need a defensive tactic is very unlikely to have 10k+ max HP.

[Gludateton]

And again, very specific Hime. Sure it's doable with any of these, but a multitude of these are specific SSRs.
Heck, all of them are specific SSRs except for the specific SR which is limited time only.

Well... yeah ? I was not trying to say that everyone and their mother can do Andro with free R team ageinst disadvantageous element. But Snow Raphy + Jack Frost can open possibility of eating overdrives however much you want, while they often won't be enough to delete Andro in 6-8T.
And damn, are you doing AQ5 with full SRs teams (not saying it's impossible, been there done that) that you are negating one style of play because it requires specific hime ?

Uuuh, Eidolons are -10% each, so the maximum you can reach is -80% with Joan's defensive Soul weapon. Which with 50% Atk Down will still leave 9k-ish party-wide damage. While certainly survivalable for us, anyone who'd need a defensive tactic is very unlikely to have 10k+ max HP.

Actually the most cut you can find on eidolon is 25% (I don't think there's more, but I may overlooked something), but they have some cost of aquiring them (and only 3 elements get them). 20% eidos are ez pz to get (but there's none for dark cut). They both have no damage effects though, so you are looking at whooping 0% Ele/Char ATK from eidos if you'll equip both, you have to be pretty mad to actually go for that. But equipping one 20%/25% and 100% Ele eido is actually viable tactic, which is probably better than equipping two 40%/10% cut eidolons.

[Unregistered]

different ones can work too.

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Don't forget the free 10% corresponding passive element resist from Jack, Amphisbeana, Barong, Amalthea and the upcoming Medjed :3

[Slashley]

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And damn, are you doing AQ5 with full SRs teams (not saying it's impossible, been there done that) that you are negating one style of play because it requires specific hime ?

Fun fact: while testing things on-element just so that I wouldn't need to pull out a calculator for all the damage numbers, I found out that my garbage Light team (with full slvl20 Grid, 114% Assault when calculating 2x SSR Prides as 0% base, using Managarm)... can't handle Wave3. We're talking PF Full Burst (couldn't even reach Rage before this, since team relies so heavily on Herc's burst effect for Def Down), getting wiped, Elixir, Full Burst (CDs not lining up for another PF in time) and still not enough, second wipe. AQ5 damage requirement is no joke, and is the first content that I find you simply cannot clear just because of an okay Grid. While it is outdated by modern Light standards (the only difference from this video is that Forseti was replaced by Light Amaterasu to allow PF), all it's really lacking is base Atk (and 10% Elemental from slvl10 Axe) and tons of HP. And no amount of HP will save you there.

It wasn't far off though, and if I had Frey leveled up she could've easily handled it. Hell, she could probably solo the goddamn Rage bar...

So yeah, just because you buy a few turns with Joan, what exactly are you going to accomplish?
And, it's not like I ever said it's impossible to tank it. I did say that "but can be doable for those lucky enough with specific Hime"
But luck of the draw - such as pulling someone like Poseidon who lets you tank Wave3 with Joan (Fire only) or Frey who can murder the Rage bar - is not reliable.

While it is also not reliable that you have one element that can do any AQ5, it's far more likely that players can be expected to have at least one such team. Either because they rerolled into a P2W Eidolon, and/or because they've pulled/MT'd some ridiculous hard carries like Uriel, who can probably solo even Water AQ5 Rage bar.

Actually the most cut you can find on eidolon is 25% (I don't think there's more, but I may overlooked something), but they have some cost of aquiring them (and only 3 elements get them). 20% eidos are ez pz to get (but there's none for dark cut). They both have no damage effects though, so you are looking at whooping 0% Ele/Char ATK from eidos if you'll equip both, you have to be pretty mad to actually go for that. But equipping one 20%/25% and 100% Ele eido is actually viable tactic, which is probably better than equipping two 40%/10% cut eidolons.

What are these? I don't know about them, but those aren't here today and won't be for the next seven months or so, I'd guess?