Thread: Eidolon orb farming?

Thank you all for the detailed responses! The analyses are very helpful. A few follow-up questions:

1. If I am understanding things correctly then, those weapons that cost 15 draconic eyes per copy are just, um, whale-bait? It will take me about 2 years to LB3 them at this rate...

2. Consensus is that UE is the main source of draconic eye shards. Are we talking about ultimate ranking rewards here? 'cos the last UE only dropped 2 from non-ranked rewards. Don't you need to be in a top union to get those? I contribute a lot in my union (solo-ed up to lvl 51 ult in the last UE, which got us to a rank that dropped two shards) but I am not competitive enough/have enough time/have flexible enough schedule to play when everyone else is playing to go to like 700+ ult...
2a. Slightly off-topic, but how do people get such high scores at UE?! If I did my math right, lvl 700+ is well over 80 mil hp and 35,000+ in damage/hit. Our union was rejoicing that we got to 350 ult kills, for the entire event, not in a single day...

3. Draconic eye weapons is a no-go, so what do I to get stronger other than waiting for event weapons/eidolons? For reference, my light grid is Joan's elemental atk soul weapon (LB0, regalia is hard to farm), the two Nandi SSR weapons (both LB3), Sol's gun (LB1) Nandi assualt SR weapon (LB3), the rest all disaster SR hammer (all LB3). Slvl on all weapons are 20 except for like 3 hammers and Sol's gun, which are around 11-14. The next light event is a raid in May that gives bow with elaborate/defender, not a great weapon for my team if I am not mistaken (I do not have SSR Artemis, my light team is Sol, Light Tsukuyomi, Tishtrya and Michael, SR Forseti and SR Artemis as subs.) I was thinking of:
3a. Orichalcon shop weapons, although despite having what I think is a very solid light team, I can only clear GO stage 4, always lose the final boss battle >.< That is netting me just 1 orichalcon every 2 weeks...
3b. Get pink bricks from tower events and LB-up my hime SSR weapon (Light Tsukuyomi's bow is defender/assault and pretty good stats, atk at 1200+ at lb0.) I don't think I have a deep enough roster of hime to do well in tower yet (got to like 6th floor last time, and took me like 3 keys to clear it 'cos knowing nothing about tower events, I fielded my best teams on the lower floors...)

Originally Posted by Slashley

Oh, then what exactly is a new player going to use for other elements? Diabolos? Or the SRs from Shop (Melusine and friends)?

Actually, that is pretty much what I am using for non-light elements... Which is why I have been fielding my light team for every event so far, even though I have decent himes in other elements, too - my light team hits harder even without the elemental advantage...

Originally Posted by kyc992

With Vritra event coming up next, although having a Thunder team and eidolon would give him an easy time, he probably has already spent a lot more resources on his Light team which due to the time limit could essentially mean rushing resources into a Thunder team now might not provide him better results compared to continued investment in his Light team. This would negate the immediate need for grabbing a past-event Thunder hime. With the addition of Vritra to his eidolon grid, he would now have 6 Eidolons at MLB.

That is dead-on. I actually started with wind ('cos Cybele was my best hime for quite a while), switched to dark (pulled Pluto from gacha), then after I mtix Sol ('cos I had no healers on my dark team, and I read that Sol is versatile and can work with any elements and what not), in the same week pulled Sol (again), Tish, LT and Hecatonshire (can't spell her name), so I guess the game REALLY wanted me to main light. Mtix Michael after that and poured everything into light ever since. For Vritra event, I plan to field my light team again. We did get LB3 SSR gun and LB2 SSR lance in the last thunder UE, but my thunder himes are a mess. I do have Brahma, but none of my thunder SRs seem to be good at buffing/debuffing to complement her raw power, and my best thunder eidolon is the SR from main quest, LB0. I cleared AQ3 and can clear AQ4 if I get a 100% eidolon support, so I am hoping Vritra won't be too much trouble for my light team (Nandi was a real pain for me, back then I was only strong enough to farm expert and not ultimate.)

Originally Posted by kyc992

If anything, getting Andramelech before Tiamat could also be a good option considering having a fire team would greatly benefit him for the next tower. She is also a decently strong stat-stick that would allow OP to replace T. Lilim once he gets both.

Gah, I neglected that the next tower needs a fire team! Thank you for the reminder!

1. The dragon eyes are MOSTLY for whales, yes, but if you've played for a while (and in a decent union) it's often quite possible to save up for 1, and use bricks from towers to LB them. It's a lot of time and work, but if you want to push your main team to the next level, that's one way to do it (assuming the dragon eye weapon in question is good and worthwhile).

2. Yes, most of the eye shard rewards are from ranking rewards. If you're an active player try joining a slightly better union, it doesn't have to be top 5 (those require way too much grinding), but top 30-50 is very possible due to the low active player count. Trying to carry a union by yourself when you're not very strong just isn't a good idea.
2a. It's done using paratrains, while strong players can certainly solo up to 400 or so, the scaling becomes pretty insane beyond that, and the boss will just casually 1-shot all your himes if you let them attack at all. So you don't.

3. You just keep grinding away while waiting for the next event to come along. KH is a long term game, you can't really rush it unless you're spending. Use the time to work on some side teams just in case RNG decides that you can make them useful someday. Prepare fire for the wind tower... then wind for the thunder tower 2 months after... etc.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

1. If I am understanding things correctly then, those weapons that cost 15 draconic eyes per copy are just, um, whale-bait? It will take me about 2 years to LB3 them at this rate...

Draconic eyes should be saved up for Hime Awakening. Only when you have a huge excess of them would you ever consider those weapons, so that means you either whaled, or have seriously bad luck to not get any Himes that can be awakened. In the case that you can grab a draconic eye weapon, you don't MLB them by buying duplicates, but by using bricks.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

2a. Slightly off-topic, but how do people get such high scores at UE?! If I did my math right, lvl 700+ is well over 80 mil hp and 35,000+ in damage/hit. Our union was rejoicing that we got to 350 ult kills, for the entire event, not in a single day...

They paralyze spam the boss while working as a team to prevent anyone from being hit. That means other spending time on damage, they don't worry about being hit. Also, it might be time to change Unions. As long as you are doing 3m iPP every union event, getting into one of the 50 top unions shouldn't be an issue. But in the case you don't want to switch Unions maybe due to how closely knit your union is, you could organize with them on how to efficiently push rank. Spend first few days farming grails, barely spending them. Use all 400 on the day you guys planned on pushing, and if possible have someone focus on paralyzing while others join him to help dps.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

3. Draconic eye weapons is a no-go, so what do I to get stronger other than waiting for event weapons/eidolons? For reference, my light grid is Joan's elemental atk soul weapon (LB0, regalia is hard to farm), the two Nandi SSR weapons (both LB3), Sol's gun (LB1) Nandi assualt SR weapon (LB3), the rest all disaster SR hammer (all LB3). Slvl on all weapons are 20 except for like 3 hammers and Sol's gun, which are around 11-14. The next light event is a raid in May that gives bow with elaborate/defender, not a great weapon for my team if I am not mistaken (I do not have SSR Artemis, my light team is Sol, Light Tsukuyomi, Tishtrya and Michael, SR Forseti and SR Artemis as subs.) I was thinking of:
3a. Orichalcon shop weapons, although despite having what I think is a very solid light team, I can only clear GO stage 4, always lose the final boss battle >.< That is netting me just 1 orichalcon every 2 weeks...
3b. Get pink bricks from tower events and LB-up my hime SSR weapon (Light Tsukuyomi's bow is defender/assault and pretty good stats, atk at 1200+ at lb0.) I don't think I have a deep enough roster of hime to do well in tower yet (got to like 6th floor last time, and took me like 3 keys to clear it 'cos knowing nothing about tower events, I fielded my best teams on the lower floors...)

Regalia should be easy to farm, aside from events where people rather spend BP on non-raids(UE/Raid) you should have no problem hosting Light Ults and getting people to help. If we calculate your gains from never getting MVP or vMVP, you get 3 Regalias and 6 shards a day. 10 days nets you 30 regalias for a weapon, and 60 shards. 30 days means 90 regalias, and 180 shards which translates into 30 extra regalias and 30 shards carried over to the next month. I would advise you to only get Joan's weapon to LB1-2 and start saving up regalias if you are close to getting Shingen, because you would want her and her soul weapon. Having regalia on hand means you can grab her weapon as soon as you unlock her.

As for bricks, you may want to use them on Mich's lance instead and her weapon has an FLB(LB4) which gives it an additional 25 levels in stats, 10 more slvls, and adds a defender+. Also, since it is a lance, it is something you're more likely to keep further down the road if you can manage to get a Phantom Lance(from ragnarok raids) and 6 lances total(including phantom and soul).

If you haven't Michael should be your main priority for awakening.

For tower, you messed up once but now you know how it works. That experience means you'll have a much better time the next tower comes. Just know that there are a few things to consider:
1) If you can't complete all 3 objectives in one run, aim for the non-thunder hime objective. For example, run an off elemental balance/defense/tricky hime if you don't have one of the correct element.
2) You can run a floor that you find very hard with a completely off-element team, because getting the bonus from floor completion is better than nothing.
3) If you are stuck on a floor(too hard etc.), you can always go back to complete the 3rd objective for lower floors. For example, you had to bring an off-element balance hime for floor 8 to get the 250 medals, instead of giving up on the event now that you are "gated" you can go back to floor 8 and complete it again for the "only xxx characters" for an extra 150 medal+turn bonus. This would usually be done at the very end of the event knowing 100% you won't get the floor clear reward with the remaining attempts.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Actually, that is pretty much what I am using for non-light elements... Which is why I have been fielding my light team for every event so far, even though I have decent himes in other elements, too - my light team hits harder even without the elemental advantage...

You have a very good Light team, to the point I'd like to say I'm awfully jealous considering gacha only ever gives me fire himes that aren't as useful. I did not know what himes you had, but now that I do I can tell you, investing 80% into Light, and the other 20% into an element to prepare for an event that requires said element(tower etc.) at least 3 weeks before hand will be enough for you. An easy way to recognize if you are prepared at a basic level for off-elements would be, 100% assault, at least 60% elemental from soul weapon+eidolon, and if possible 20-30% defender. More would be welcomed but not at the expense of neglecting your Light for a long period.
Another thing if you haven't already done so, level up your accessories for hp/atk. If you don't have as many SSR accessories, leveling an SR accessory is fine too but keep it around 25. Even at just level 20, 3 SRs provide about 1500 hp+attack combined for your hime.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

so I am hoping Vritra won't be too much trouble for my light team (Nandi was a real pain for me, back then I was only strong enough to farm expert and not ultimate.)

If you were running Nandi with a Light team on AAB, note that it could be possible the challenge came from missing your debuffs. From what Slashley told me before, the chance to debuff(not accounting hime's personal hit rate with it), Elemental advantage>off-element>same element>elemental disadvantage. So if it was a problem due to debuff, just know that you will have a higher chance to debuff this time as your chance "upgraded to the next tier".

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Gah, I neglected that the next tower needs a fire team! Thank you for the reminder!

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

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2a. It's done using paratrains, while strong players can certainly solo up to 400 or so, the scaling becomes pretty insane beyond that, and the boss will just casually 1-shot all your himes if you let them attack at all. So you don't.
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You know what they say.
"I like my Demons the same way I like my women, all Paralyzed and unable to fight back."

Originally Posted by kyc992

Regalia should be easy to farm, aside from events where people rather spend BP on non-raids(UE/Raid) you should have no problem hosting Light Ults and getting people to help.--

This used to be true, but now that Ragnarok Disaster raids are here, I've found myself basically ignoring Ult help requests. Why should I spent 5 Seeds for an Ult when I can spend 5 Seeds for a Rag? If I need to farm Regalia, it's much better for me to host one myself. The point is, it might be better to ask your Union to help out in Discord or something, since I'm not sure you can rely on randoms coming to help out in Ults anymore.

It's retarded how they didn't drop Ult BP requirement to 3 or something, really.

Thanks again! A couple more follow-ups if you all don't mind:

1. Which himes can paralyze? I have only seen dizzy before, usually from Mordred or Morgan's soul weapon (ally casting dizzy is sometimes why I lose light boss raids btw - it goes off unpredictably, like when I have Joan's dmg cut up... It helps when it starts spamming those 20k+ attacks, but not that helpful before.)

Originally Posted by kyc992

Another thing if you haven't already done so, level up your accessories for hp/atk. If you don't have as many SSR accessories, leveling an SR accessory is fine too but keep it around 25. Even at just level 20, 3 SRs provide about 1500 hp+attack combined for your hime.

2. Only started being able to clear AQ3 last week and AQ4 this week, so, small stash of SR/SSR accessories so far. What is a good strategy for accessories? Upgrading an SSR from 1 to 50 costs a fortune even using lvl1 SR as fodder. Is it more cost effective to upgrade SR to lvl 20-25 (and use them while I get more SSR) then use the upgraded SR as fodder? I can optimize this with enough time at the accessory calculator, but why reinvent the wheel if there is already some kind of rule of thumb out there.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

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1. Which himes can paralyze? I have only seen dizzy before, --

Basically just Awakened Thor. Technically also Arianrhod. There are others, but it's basically only these two. And to be noted is that Para is only reliable during Union Events, thanks to the 100 Affliction Grail buff.

If you want to see everyone who has Paralyze, the encyclopedia in Sanahtlig's toolbox has a list of Hime. Just ctrl+f for Para.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

2. -- I can optimize this with enough time at the accessory calculator, but why reinvent the wheel if there is already some kind of rule of thumb out there.

The important thing to note on Accessories is that leveling up Accessories that aren't level 1 costs an arm and a leg of Gems. So when leveling up, make sure you hit straight to your target level (30 for Rs, 40 for SRs), or in the case of SSRs, halfway. Personally I use the 1-2-3-4 method for SSRs, which means using 1 N, 2 Rs, 13 SRs (totally 3, right?) and 4 SSRs (all of the same element). This gets you pretty much exactly halfway to level 50.

Well, for veterans, the Gem cost doesn't matter all that much anymore, since Gem Gacha got buffed.

Originally Posted by Slashley

It's retarded how they didn't drop Ult BP requirement to 3 or something, really.

They did. A long long time ago. They even reduced the AP costs. Just not on taco. Cuz originaru gaym.

Originally Posted by Bear

They did. A long long time ago. They even reduced the AP costs. Just not on taco. Cuz originaru gaym.

Right when Rags came out? I don't remember seeing that in the second anniversary patch notes...

Good to know though. We'll probably get that later, then. One day(tm) I'll actually get around to updating the Encyclopedia proper and dig up the Ult reduction date.

August 10 update is what Bear is thinking of (ok, 8 months ago would be a long time ago for DMM players)
Standard went down to 10 AP
Expert went down to 15 AP or 2 BP
Ultimate went down to 30 AP or 3 BP
Ragnarok went down to 50 AP

Originally Posted by Unregistered

August 10 update is what Bear is thinking of (ok, 8 months ago would be a long time ago for DMM players)
Standard went down to 10 AP
Expert went down to 15 AP or 2 BP
Ultimate went down to 30 AP or 3 BP
Ragnarok went down to 50 AP

So it seems, thanks good sir.

In other news, christ, that's also the last patch notes on the DMM wiki. Whoever was copypasting to there must've gotten tired of it. That's most unfortunate.