Thread: Souls and null grids

Originally Posted by Slashley

But Assault-Phantoms basically give you an extra weapon into your Grid. And one extra effect, like Triple(++) for Glaives. Those things are well worth it.

Is this because of the 20% additional assault added to each non-phantom weapon so a glaive phantom weapon basically makes each non-phantom glaive be 1.2 times its base times the 5 glaives is like having 6 glaives in your grid... I like it. That's a nice way to think about what phantom weapons do.

Dejnov.

Best Null weapon is axe and sword.

Sword => get Ascalons for fire
Axe => Ashy+Eye Axe and a complete thunder eye axe grid

for f2p = DMM devs dont care about those guys.

I like how people are talking about ascalon grids and ascalons using plural, as if they just fall off trees or something, I guess for uber space whales they might, but even then they probs prefer to use those eyes to max out all those P2Ws they got anyway.

Seriously tho, I was lucky enough to pull 1 ascalon from a ticket. OFC it's FLB. Is 1 ascalon worth making a sword grid over, or do I need many to justify the effort?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I like how people are talking about ascalon grids and ascalons using plural, as if they just fall off trees or something, I guess for uber space whales they might, but even then they probs prefer to use those eyes to max out all those P2Ws they got anyway.

Seriously tho, I was lucky enough to pull 1 ascalon from a ticket. OFC it's FLB. Is 1 ascalon worth making a sword grid over, or do I need many to justify the effort?

Let me be clear, in my original post I never actually advocated for 'normal' players to actually build an ascalon grid. The phantom weapon isn't one that can help tremendously in the short term and only truly starts shining if you have something like +200% assault AND fairly low DA and TA on your himes. Then it starts to be fairly substantial. For Fire it's a much better deal to do the Lance grid (with Vlad and Assault SR lances initially) and just upgrade to FLB Union Lances as you get them. That's fairly economical and something you can do in the near term and will be plenty viable in the long term.

Will a full ascalon grid be better than a full lance grid? Of course it will as Eye weapon's base assault and hitpoints are much higher than any Union or Hime weapon AND it's a double assault Eye weapon no less, but you'll have saved plenty of bricks and eyes to work on a second or third element's team which should be fairly valuable for events like tower, etc.

I put the ascalon grid into the same category as a full element eidolon; yes you could spend 150 eyes on one... but why would you? It's much better to up the power level of a second (or third) element team so that you can have elemental advantage in more situations than if you didn't.


Dejnov.


Edit: I would definitely work to leveling the Ascalon sword (as it's a great weapon) and even bricking it if you need to while running a full Fire Lance grid as your base weapon grid. You'll eventually have both phantom weapons and you have 10 weapon slots so it's not like a single ascalon is incompatible with a lance grid. If you ever find yourself with 5 comparable (or better) swords than your basic lances, you can switch, but having 4 swords and 6 lances or 6 swords and 4 lances is a small variation in what you have to build for a final grid.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

Is this because of the 20% additional assault added to each non-phantom weapon so a glaive phantom weapon basically makes each non-phantom glaive be 1.2 times its base times the 5 glaives is like having 6 glaives in your grid... I like it. That's a nice way to think about what phantom weapons do.

Dejnov.

I would go and look at the phantom weapons again. I became pretty lost reading most of the stuff here but 20% additional assault added to each weapon? Pretty sure that is wrong. I mean you get an increase in stats of all the weapons that are the same as the phantom weapon and you get the second skill on the phantom weapon, when you have enough of required weapons in your grid. However, this is only for that weapon. So, a hammer has Carnage and it will give 30% assault. This second skill is just for the Phantom hammer and it won't pass onto any of your other weapons in the grid.

The phantom weapons do give an increase in base stats to the other weapons. So all hammers in a hammer grid (Including itself) will get an increase of 45% HP and 30% att. Other weapons in the grid won't see an increase in stats.

In short. I have no idea where you got the 20% for each weapon in the grid.

Also Thunder is good with hammer since they have good hammers to use. Due to tower it is easier to build grids around Kami weapons even for players that don't spend a lot and you can even buy the hammer for 2 ori in the shop.

I also wouldn't decide the soul I use on the phantom weapon in my grid and that includes the souls weapon as well. Usually you would go with Herc or Shingen for your souls. There will probably be times that the soul does vary like GO missions or Tower and perhaps other events in the future.

Lance grid is also a good option.
Just get a full Mars grid.

Originally Posted by Superbia

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In short. I have no idea where you got the 20% for each weapon in the grid.

I believe he was referring to the 30% bonus base Atk.

Originally Posted by Superbia

Also Thunder is good with hammer since they have good hammers to use. Due to tower it is easier to build grids around Kami weapons even for players that don't spend a lot and you can even buy the hammer for 2 ori in the shop.

While true (for example Raiko Hammer being one of those double Assault weapons), it's not that easy. Reminder that you can get at best get 1.5 bricks per tower, so getting a Hammer Thunder Grid is a matter of multiple Miracle Tickets and using all your bricks for... a full year on the Grid for it to work out. Maybe a little less if you settle for the Ori Hammers, but even those will take many, many months to build up.

I also wouldn't decide the soul I use on the phantom weapon in my grid and that includes the souls weapon as well. Usually you would go with Herc or Shingen for your souls. There will probably be times that the soul does vary like GO missions or Tower and perhaps other events in the future.[/QUOTE]