Thread: Alternative to total power for evaluating a stats stick eidolon

Originally Posted by Dejnov

-- I only know when I've been building these off-element lance grids (as that is my only maxed phantom weapon atm) in weaker element grids, my damage can go up. -- When I did the comparison, I found that the on-element defense SR was actually giving me less damage output than the off-element substitute and it was sometimes giving me less damage than the full on-element grid.--

Well, yes? There's a reason why pure Defender weapons are frowned upon generally. As said by dreamlitz, they don't actually give you any attack outside of their base Atk. So when replaced by a higher base Atk weapon... ... of course it's more damage. But, it's also pretty certain that a slvl20 Disaster SR Assault weapon would do MORE damage than your off-element FLB Lance.

However, the part that messes things up here is the Phantom Lance. Which offers you:
1. 16% Assault
2. 16% HP
3. Lots of base Atk bonus
Which is no joke. If you replace one on-element Assault weapon with a off-element Lance to activate Phantom Lance, then you lost #1. But fair enough, you still have #2 and #3. Then you can replace one on-element HP weapon with a off-element Lance, and you've lost #2 too. But hey, you still have #3, so you're STILL in the positive.

However, these kinds of things kinda drop dead once your Grid starts to improve. Like, when you have a full Grid of dual-skills (SRs or SSRs), then you already lost both #1 and #2 from a single weapon. So, again: _might_ hold water with Lance Grids. But won't be ANY good past extremely early game.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

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i. Their passive is elemental resistance, up to 50% at MLB, so if you go into battle with these as your main and you have a friend with a MLB one, too, you get 100% elemental resistance O.O --

Hah, if only. It's 50% STATUS resistance. In other words, as useless as Kaiser passive.

Another thing of note on those things. The CD on the (one-time per battle) active gets reduced as the Eidolon gains more LBs. So unlike Kaisers, these guys are SIGNIFICANTLY worse for those who can't brick them to MLB.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

F) Wait, can't you also off-element for dummy? I hit harder with my light team than some other team with elemental advantage... If they ever have multi-target dummies, then maybe the burst streak can make up for it, but single-target, my plan was just to use light all the way...

To my understanding, the Dummy is a different element every day. So it starts as Fire probably and cycles through all the elements per day. Expect Dark on day 6 I guess?

It's sad because I don't see any way to compete for any kind of ranks without Michael AW and Fluffy. The top50 is probably going to be taken by players who have both of those.

Originally Posted by Slashley

However, the part that messes things up here is the Phantom Lance. Which offers you:
1. 16% Assault
2. 16% HP
3. Lots of base Atk bonus
Which is no joke. If you replace one on-element Assault weapon with a off-element Lance to activate Phantom Lance, then you lost #1. But fair enough, you still have #2 and #3. Then you can replace one on-element HP weapon with a off-element Lance, and you've lost #2 too. But hey, you still have #3, so you're STILL in the positive.

However, these kinds of things kinda drop dead once your Grid starts to improve. Like, when you have a full Grid of dual-skills (SRs or SSRs), then you already lost both #1 and #2 from a single weapon. So, again: _might_ hold water with Lance Grids. But won't be ANY good past extremely early game.Hah, if only. It's 50% STATUS resistance. In other words, as useless as Kaiser passive.

Another thing of note on those things. The CD on the (one-time per battle) active gets reduced as the Eidolon gains more LBs. So unlike Kaisers, these guys are SIGNIFICANTLY worse for those who can't brick them to MLB.To my understanding, the Dummy is a different element every day. So it starts as Fire probably and cycles through all the elements per day. Expect Dark on day 6 I guess?

It's sad because I don't see any way to compete for any kind of ranks without Michael AW and Fluffy. The top50 is probably going to be taken by players who have both of those.

I agree that it's possibly phantom lance (and also by default phantom hammer) that really benefits from this situation. For wind and water, I'll take all the help that I can get!

I'm not so sure that immunity to status effect is to be frowned upon. By far the biggest thing that can destroy a fast burst team, is fucking with your ability to DATA or burst when you want to. These might not actually be totally useless passives. Don't know yet as you'll probably lose a decent amount of elemental (character) attack to field one (or two) that it means squat. Will see when they come out.

I'm wondering what you mean when you state that only those with Michael AW and Fluffy would be in the top50. That's only 1 element and you get into the ranking by all element's damage not just your light team, or am I missing something about the context in how these competitions are set up?


Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

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I'm not so sure that immunity to status effect is to be frowned upon.--

Hey, not being debuffed is amazing. But this isn't immunity, and it simply isn't worth the loss of damage output even if it was. Unless you're literally fighting Medusa-like content.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

I'm wondering what you mean when you state that only those with Michael AW and Fluffy would be in the top50. That's only 1 element and you get into the ranking by all element's damage not just your light team, or am I missing something about the context in how these competitions are set up?--

I haven't looked into how the scoring works at all, but I'd assume that you get your top score, and that's your score. And what does by far the most damage over a time period of 15 turns? Michael AW with Fluffy.

You simply cannot compete with people who do one (or more) full Bursts than what you did, even more so if you don't have a P2W Eidolon and they do.

Originally Posted by Slashley

To my understanding, the Dummy is a different element every day. So it starts as Fire probably and cycles through all the elements per day. Expect Dark on day 6 I guess?

nah, they release the elements in a random order, at least they did on last two i ran, so can't actually speak for the first one. oh actually i had the JP wiki page open earlier :facepalm:

Day of the week Contents
Mon-Tue Lightning
Wed-Thur Water wind
Fri-Sat Light darkness
Sunday All attributes