Thread: Guild Games Megathread

Originally Posted by Slashley

Char Atk is good when stacking all that Elem+, so yeah. Sadly, RNG gods have not blessed me with a Giri.


In other news, "rewards squish" is here. It looks like the only thing which has changed is that ranks 501-1000 went from 13k Medals to 10k Medals. So this effectively only hurts the weakest 50% of the Nutaku population. Nice, Nutaku, nice. Exactly the people you need to hurt.

For veterans, reaching top500 should be no problem even with AAB, and that's where the sweet 13k Medals still is.

Time to get a lot of holy soul points.
Side note, outside of idols is the only way to get elemental atk through buffs/debuffs?

Originally Posted by Nik

Time to get a lot of holy soul points.
Side note, outside of idols is the only way to get elemental atk through buffs/debuffs?

Idols? ... do you mean Eidolons?
Yes, offensive Soul weapon = 30% Elem Atk, elemental advantage = 45% Elem Atk. And buffs, most notably Kaisers (30% at 0-Star, 40% at 1-Star and a whopping 50% at 3-Star).

Double postan'

So, I manualed a run with all but my Light team (because what's the point), and here's what I got:
24.8m Water -> 39.2m
28m Wind -> 45.8m
21m Fire -> 51m
29m Dark -> 38m
46m Thunder -> 63.7m

->Open Spoiler<-

Not perfect, but I'll take it. Mistakes that happened mostly include horrible Eidolon ordering (using Mii AFTER damage abilities, gj!)
and missing one Lock-On from Tyr, that cost me ~1.5m damage. But there's too many Nikes around to keep trying, so yeah, I'll take it.

Currently sitting on rank50 for Best and rank72 for Total. My awful, awful Light score (15m) is seriously hurting my Total, but what can you do.

A couple of notes here:
In theory, THEORY, if I had Kirin I'd be ranking ~13 in Best. Because 63.7 * 1.25 = 79.6m. In reality though, I'm not the only person who is lacking dem P2W Eidolons, so competition would be tougher. Also, many abilities are hitting their caps already as are Tyr's bursts, so the ~25% boosted damage doesn't work in reality. It's pretty rough to tell how much more damage Kirin would actually be.

Dark manualing didn't boost the score much. I can think of two reasons: on AAB, Shingen is awful (and was used in other elements) while manualing Herc doesn't do much. Also, with no Tiara set bonuses just yet, Dark is soooooooo goddamn slooooooow. This meant that fast units waiting around for slower ones for Full Burst cost a lot of potential DPS. Outside of Thunder, Dark is the only element I did multiple runs with since I was doing like 33m runs manually. That wasn't much of a boost from the 29m AAB, so I dumped Cherno for Osiris and got my 38m run. I wish I could run Cherno WITH Osiris though, since Cherno is goddamn amazing damage per turn against Light. But what can you do, there was too much waiting around without Osiris speeding the team up.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Double postan'

So, I manualed a run with all but my Light team (because what's the point), and here's what I got:
24.8m Water -> 39.2m
28m Wind -> 45.8m
21m Fire -> 51m
29m Dark -> 38m
46m Thunder -> 63.7m

->Open Spoiler<-

Not perfect, but I'll take it. Mistakes that happened mostly include horrible Eidolon ordering (using Mii AFTER damage abilities, gj!)
and missing one Lock-On from Tyr, that cost me ~1.5m damage. But there's too many Nikes around to keep trying, so yeah, I'll take it.

Currently sitting on rank50 for Best and rank72 for Total. My awful, awful Light score (15m) is seriously hurting my Total, but what can you do.

A couple of notes here:
In theory, THEORY, if I had Kirin I'd be ranking ~13 in Best. Because 63.7 * 1.25 = 79.6m. In reality though, I'm not the only person who is lacking dem P2W Eidolons, so competition would be tougher. Also, many abilities are hitting their caps already as are Tyr's bursts, so the ~25% boosted damage doesn't work in reality. It's pretty rough to tell how much more damage Kirin would actually be.

Dark manualing didn't boost the score much. I can think of two reasons: on AAB, Shingen is awful (and was used in other elements) while manualing Herc doesn't do much. Also, with no Tiara set bonuses just yet, Dark is soooooooo goddamn slooooooow. This meant that fast units waiting around for slower ones for Full Burst cost a lot of potential DPS. Outside of Thunder, Dark is the only element I did multiple runs with since I was doing like 33m runs manually. That wasn't much of a boost from the 29m AAB, so I dumped Cherno for Osiris and got my 38m run. I wish I could run Cherno WITH Osiris though, since Cherno is goddamn amazing damage per turn against Light. But what can you do, there was too much waiting around without Osiris speeding the team up.

Hi genius, dummy do not require you to use the advantage element to fight each dummy, so why not use your best element to improve some of that score ?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi genius, dummy do not require you to use the advantage element to fight each dummy, so why not use your best element to improve some of that score ?

The on-element Full Burst bonus is a bit too much. I doubt that my Thunder team could really improve the scores of other elements.

... except on Light, of course, but it's too late for that now~

Originally Posted by Slashley

Double postan'

So, I manualed a run with all but my Light team (because what's the point), and here's what I got:
24.8m Water -> 39.2m
28m Wind -> 45.8m
21m Fire -> 51m
29m Dark -> 38m
46m Thunder -> 63.7m

Not perfect, but I'll take it. Mistakes that happened mostly include horrible Eidolon ordering (using Mii AFTER damage abilities, gj!)
and missing one Lock-On from Tyr, that cost me ~1.5m damage. But there's too many Nikes around to keep trying, so yeah, I'll take it.[/SPOILER]Currently sitting on rank50 for Best and rank72 for Total.
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So I got nowhere near 172 myself (423 this morning, hoping I'm still top 500 tomorrow), so room for improvement in ~10 weeks. Congrats on 63.7M on Thunder. At least I beat you on Light, so that's 1 out of 6!

I need to build a thunder-Shingen option - I'm lacking def debuff on thunder so not sure what that'll look like; I've been clinging to Dart for too long. I'm also considering pushing to get 2 more Thunder SSR glaives so I can make use of my one and only Phantom weapon in Thunder. That'll require a few more eyes to pick the Thunder SSR Glaive weapon in the Draconic Eye mat shop, and buying a duplicate treasure sword with Orichalcon. Only worth doing if I don't pick up another Phantom weapon first - so for now, I'm hoarding and hoping to get a 2nd Glaive, or a Phantom lance or axe drop. Hell, even the gun might be better. Eyes take forever in a low-tier guild, so it's not happening any time soon.

Originally Posted by Chrestomancy

I need to build a thunder-Shingen option - I'm lacking def debuff on thunder so not sure what that'll look like;

Dunno much about thunder, but if you're struggling with debuffs, Hercules with MLB axe can often be better than Shingen (e.g. if using Herc moves you from 30% def down to 50% def down, that's actually a 40% increase in dmg, which can be as good as Shingen reducing your burst cycle from 5 to 3T, depending on what your DATA and exceed looks like.)

I'm also considering pushing to get 2 more Thunder SSR glaives so I can make use of my one and only Phantom weapon in Thunder.

Not sure what your grid looks like, but if you have to drop two MLB SSR weapon to accommodate 2 LB0 SSR just to activate a phantom weapon, it's usually not worth it, especially if your phantom weapon itself is LB0 (so you're effectively dropping 3 MLB SSR.) If you've done the math and know exactly what you're doing, sure, go ahead, but I would caution against burning eyes just to get a phantom grid running full of LB0 weapons. Also consider using MLB SR instead of LB0 SSR, they're often better - burn orbs to LB ones that are good, at least orbs are easier to farm back.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Dunno much about thunder, but if you're struggling with debuffs, Hercules with MLB axe can often be better than Shingen (e.g. if using Herc moves you from 30% def down to 50% def down, that's actually a 40% increase in dmg, which can be as good as Shingen reducing your burst cycle from 5 to 3T, depending on what your DATA and exceed looks like.)

I've got a FLB Herc Axe. It's a small improvement on Dart for overall damage, but it's 4 turns for that first 30% debuff and I've got no affliction resist down to help the Eidolon 12.5% land on turn 7 - SR eidolon burst effects don't stick frequently. Running Herc with Sniper Shot gives similar results for me to Herc with PF. I've not got a FLB Shingen bow in Thunder yet, I'm hoping that will give me a better result, possibly with Sniper Shot again on the bonus rather than the new Shingen-only bonus ability boost. I've also got a long way to go on Ragnarok Raids before I can unlock my first 5 accessory Thunder character.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Not sure what your grid looks like, but if you have to drop two MLB SSR weapon to accommodate 2 LB0 SSR just to activate a phantom weapon, it's usually not worth it, especially if your phantom weapon itself is LB0 (so you're effectively dropping 3 MLB SSR.) If you've done the math and know exactly what you're doing, sure, go ahead, but I would caution against burning eyes just to get a phantom grid running full of LB0 weapons. Also consider using MLB SR instead of LB0 SSR, they're often better - burn orbs to LB ones that are good, at least orbs are easier to farm back.

The aim is to get two lb3 or one lb3 and an mlb; lvl 125 on the Orichalcum thunder Glaive (treasure sword Crusos I think) using just Orichalcum, and lvl 150 on the Eye-mat-shop thunder Glaive using Tower for weapon breaks; I've got 17k unspent as I've got no suitable target weapons since last tower. The slow point here is going to be eyes, even if I don't awaken anybody else it'll take months (on 5 eyes now). The only droppable Thunder glaive is I think Karin's summon, which is pretty long odds, so without resorting to one SR in my grid or a seriously lucky draw of Karin or a 2nd Phantom Glaive weapon, this is my only real hope. This leaves 3 slots, which will be one fbl Thunder gun of Gluttony, one flb Gluttony lance, and my flb Ukko axe (eye-mat-shop weapon)
(edit - clarity)

But I've only just noticed - this event runs into September. I can do some reworking of grids, take down a few dozen more raids for soul weapons, and try again. In reality I'll have to - my score won't keep me in top 500 beyond this week. Every time I think I'm in a good place to cut back on the grind, the game pushes me back in....

Isn't light supposed to be OP and win checker-kun event by a big margin? I have not seen any strong light performance so far.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Isn't light supposed to be OP and win checker-kun event by a big margin? I have not seen any strong light performance so far.

If I recall, and I could be very wrong so someone correct me please, light is very OP in terms of versatility. They can perform most roles exceptionally well. But for straight up pure damage like skill checker, thunder or fire is suppose to be the top contender. Again, someone correct me on this.