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  1. #11
    It is worth noting that sometimes it is even advisable to run Cassiopeia's skillset over Andromeda's. You get slightly weaker healing and Defense buff, and in turn get access to her Chaos Magic without using a valuable EX slot. Resuscitation is not as overpowered as it may seem at first glance.

    So yeah, D'art, Mordred and Hercules should be unlocked before Andromeda.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Geo View Post
    It is worth noting that sometimes it is even advisable to run Cassiopeia's skillset over Andromeda's. You get slightly weaker healing and Defense buff, and in turn get access to her Chaos Magic without using a valuable EX slot. Resuscitation is not as overpowered as it may seem at first glance.

    So yeah, D'art, Mordred and Hercules should be unlocked before Andromeda.
    And Joan. Andromeda's heals are unlikely to save you against heavy hitters, whileas Joan's damage cut just might. This may allow you to clear some content way earlier than what you otherwise could.

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    Joan before Hercules, then. Survivability is key to newer players. So for the dude who wants to know whether Belobog is a good MT pick:

    If he has Hercules unlocked, I'd still go Belobog.

    If not, I'd run:

    Cassiopeia with Sniper Shot (or Andromeda if unlocked)
    Diana
    Forseti (MT)
    Caspiel
    Athena

    Forseti will bring Atk & Combo Down, and a Black Propaganda.
    Cassiopeia will bring Defense Up, heals and dispels.

    A bit less offensive power, a lot more defense and utility, so a team more suitable for a beginner indeed. I also stated Belobog obsoletes 2 of his himes (Sukunahikona and Metis), whereas Forseti brings only skills his current himes are lacking.

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Geo View Post
    DLJ: I like Metis (as she blocks afflictions, which comes in handy against that busted Dark Disaster) but would not main her.
    A few things here:

    1. Both Metis' affliction block and dmg cut does NOT apply to herself, so she'll probably get killed pretty quickly, which is why you cannot rely on her in any endurance builds.
    2. Her affliction block has a 10T CD, most other himes it's 8T or shorter (e.g. Amon and Pruflas)
    3. Dark ult throws MULTIPLE afflictions at you almost EVERY SINGLE TURN unless you stun it at full orbs. Blocking one every 10T is NOT a good use of a hime slot against dark ult (and before someone calls me out on it, I do run Eros on my AAB build against dark ult, but hers is 8T CD, comes with ability dmg boost, and most importantly, Eros has barrier - which helps negate some of the DoT dmg - usually the barrier gets used up before it can even get dispelled by the boss; I also run Sol AW, and even with that you can't out-cleanse/block dark ult.)

    Still needs IMHO an healer, so either go with Andromeda or pick Belobog.
    While I'm not against healing, as Crow has pointed out, unlocking Andro as a newbie often ends up locking you out of other important souls, which is why I push ppl towards Cassio if they want heal.

    Try bringing Caspiel instead of Metis or Sukunahikona. Caspiel will debuff the shit out of the enemy's defense, and Athena will guarantee she won't be hit as often.
    I'm a big fan of debuffing and if you have Caspiel, you'll hit def down cap with her + Diana + SS. Don't write off Sukunahikona so quickly though. She doesn't look great on paper but she hits pretty hard for an SR - stack up her buffs before bursting, she has an SSR-level burst multiplier, make good use of it. Also, Caspiel isn't that frail and doesn't actually require extra protection. Once you have a good grid, the hp difference between R and SR is quite small.

    So your team could be:

    Hercules or Shingen with Sniper Shot (Atk Def -20%)
    While those two are top-tier souls, they aren't that great for beginners. Shingen is not even accessible until you have at least 6 months of play (more now 'cos we'll see a lull in UE soon.) Both also need their respective soul weapon at MLB to really shine, and newbies aren't gonna be able to farm regalia that quickly. You need a stepping stone before you can get to those two (Cassio is still my vote for this player.)

    Athena (in front row as she will likely have the most HP and may profit from taking most of the damage, filling her burst.)
    Actually, she will be taking dmg 'cos of her cover skill. Front/back is not a reliable way of controlling BG gain.

    Dreamlitz: I don't think EX Black Propaganda (or Forseti for that matter) is mandatory for the team's survivability.
    That's what I used to think, too. I ignored BP 'cos I had Joan tank OD back then and had Sol heal when dmg cut was on CD (didn't and still don't have Athena unfortunately.) Then I fought fire ult without BP, and it raged, and it OD literally every single turn if you don't bring BP... I don't think even Athena can keep up with that. If you can wanpan it, no big deal, otherwise, BP is sort of required for certain fights, or at least makes them much easier.

    Belobog providing -35% Attack Down
    You mean Belobog with sniper shot right? Belobog is A frame 15% atk down. Forseti also has A frame 15% atk down btw if you lvl her to 65+.

    Also, Athena, Diana and Hercules can buff their own defenses, so the lack of a group Defense buff is not a major drawback.
    Are you referring to my comment about Kubera? Her def buff is 40%, which if that's the only defensive measure in play, is roughly equivalent to 30% dmg cut. Athena's dmg cut is only 25% for comparison. Anyway, if I didn't emphasize strongly enough in my last post, Kubera's strong point is targeted 2/10T nullify, which is extremely rare - like both the targeted part AND the 2T part is extremely rare. It is enormously useful on someone like Athena who has a multi-turn cover, which is also very rare. Those two skills combined basically creates a Gaia AW level of defense. If you can flat out nullify the dmg, you dun need heal, and if you can drag things out with something like BP so that the OD comes slightly frequently so that Athena's dmg cut or Kubera's def up are off CD, you're easily mitigating far more dmg than it is possible for even Sol AW to keep up with.

    If you think Athena + Kubera is defense overkill, but Athena + Belobog is not defense overkill, then I would have to disagree. I haven't tried her, but I'm pretty sure Athena is not invincible, and my experience is that dmg mitigation is generally better than heal, which is why I value Kubera even higher than Belobog. Belobog's other utility skills aren't that unique and can be covered in other ways if really needed.

    It is worth noting that sometimes it is even advisable to run Cassiopeia's skillset over Andromeda's. You get slightly weaker healing and Defense buff, and in turn get access to her Chaos Magic without using a valuable EX slot.
    Ok, maybe we do agree afterall.

    Resuscitation is not as overpowered as it may seem at first glance.
    Correct, unless you go full defense with 50% atk down and barrier/dmg cut/whatever against things that aren't nuclear grade attacks. Here is an example of it working: the fun starts around 5:30 when I made a stupid mistake and lost a hime a lot earlier than planned. It's a pretty niche skill though I have to agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geo View Post
    If he has Hercules unlocked, I'd still go Belobog.

    I also stated Belobog obsoletes 2 of his himes (Sukunahikona and Metis), whereas Forseti brings only skills his current himes are lacking.
    Ok, I am not going to say that Belobog is a bad pick, 'cos in some situations she is indeed very useful and she is very beginner friendly (Forseti admittedly requires a little planning 'cos the 10T CD on BP can mess you up.) I do take issue with the reasoning though:

    1. By the time you unlock Hercules and get her axe MLB, you are extremely unlikely to find Belobog's 300 regen on 4/8 CD to be meaningful. You either go full glass canon or you go with Andromeda if you need heal (or you pull a SSR healer.)
    2a. Belobog in no way obsoletes Sukunahikona, just as Andromeda in no way obsoletes Hercules. Sukunahikona's heal is sort of bonus, it's better to think of her as an attacker. She has all sorts of quirks with the HP consumption and atk down on burst, but that's what you get for SR - the devs purposely add some weird stuff so that they're weaker than SSRs. If you don't need an attacker in your line-up, then sure, drop Sukunahikona, I don't like her much either tbh.
    2b. I don't like Metis either, so I won't bother defending her, although I will say that affliction block in general > cleanse 'cos ability seal and paralysis can hit your cleanser, so Belobog doesn't exactly obsoletes Metis either.
    3. Forseti brings RARE skills - as I said, only Raphy AW has BP in light. There is a reason why Mordred is commonly recommended to be unlocked early for beginners, and it's not because of outrage or VoF. To be clear, if someone has Raphy already or has both A and B frame debufffs covered, I would not recommend Forseti either (if you later draw himes that cover all of those, dun kill me, I can only advise based on what we currently know...)

  5. #15
    Made some elaboration on the Fire team and about souls choice. Also made a Miracle Ticket tierlist for Fire, and it is interesting to observe that, after Nik's suggestion, I looked up Mihr and she rose as one of the top picks! Will make MT suggestions for the other elements soon enough.

    Dreamlitz, thank you for your input. Indeed Forseti is bound to be a top pick for most Light players.

    I saw your video of taking Reiki (Water Guild Order) down without a single SSR Kamihime, which was awesome and proved Resuscitation's worth. But I myself had built a Wind team with SSR El and no sub himes before: the idea was to keep El alive with as low HP as possible, to both guarantee the party will attack twice and that El would hit like a truck (by effect of Pride Weapons and Fleurety's effect). Whenever El died, I'd bring her up again ASAP as I had no subs! Between Resuscitation, El's Fortitude ability and lots of healing, the task wasn't that hard. The true epiphany though was you pointing out Maat's 3-buff Dispel, as I never paid much attention to her. Subscribed to your channel.
    Last edited by Geo; 08-15-2019 at 08:55 PM.

  6. #16
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    Grazie

    Wow...thanks for all the input. I’ll need to go back and reread for sure. I feel like a doofus because I just realized I need to use soul points to unlock the right souls to progress there...lotta wasted exp. I’ve inefficiently farmed some materials to continue upgrading my team. I’m still not sure what having an all light weapon grid does for me, I have almost enough to cover if I wanted. I have three of the kinetic former Métis uses...could have been better? Sadly, overall weapon type/quality looks like it’ll hold me up for a while.

    I dithered between Belabog and Forseti, went with the former...definitely not sure about it. I’ll check my “R” hime and see if I’ve got some worth putting on. I’ll swap Métis to sub, flip a coin for who stands next to Athena. Grinding Merlin and Van Helsing from the first group of souls...like I said, I’m slow. Looks like I need to focus more on the raids, too.

    Is it worth continuing to spend MJ on the 10 chain Gatcha?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJL556 View Post
    Is it worth continuing to spend MJ on the 10 chain Gatcha?
    Do not play the Gacha blindly. I am hoarding Magic Jewels to spend them when a good Kamihime for a team is available. I mean, Gacha is gambling, but one should try and raise the odds whenever possible!

    To me, as I got Hades, Pluto and Satan from Gacha, it means I will likely spend MJ whenever either Osiris or Dark Amaterasu show up in a Rate Up Gacha, for the team lacks a SSR healer.

    Also got a nice Water team of Ryu-Oh, Snow Gabriel and Ea, so I am waiting for Cthulhu (am using Atalanta instead because she also got a rare C-Frame Defense debuff) or Nike Unleashed\Aphrodite to finally replace Andromeda for Hercules. Moreso Aphrodite as getting Nike will likely mean I'd have to sub Ryu-Oh and use EX Black Propaganda, or live with the fact 2 himes from my team are A-Frame defense debuffers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geo View Post
    Do not play the Gacha blindly. I am hoarding Magic Jewels to spend them when a good Kamihime for a team is available. I mean, Gacha is gambling, but one should try and raise the odds whenever possible!
    The problem with that is, on Nutaku "rate up" basically does nothing for Jewels. I thus wouldn't really recommend this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Geo View Post
    To me, as I got Hades, Pluto and Satan from Gacha, it means I will likely spend MJ whenever either Osiris or Dark Amaterasu show up in a Rate Up Gacha, for the team lacks a SSR healer.
    The problem with this is, Dark Amaterasu is unlikely to never ever be available with Jewels again. Osiris as well, though it's not impossible.
    Quote Originally Posted by DJL556 View Post
    Is it worth continuing to spend MJ on the 10 chain Gatcha?
    Well, you can only do two things with Jewels:
    1. Expand your inventories
    2. Get new Hime from Gacha

    If you don't need more inventory space... go for it?

  9. #19
    Slashley, I spent all 9000 MJ I got on this recent boob gacha, in the hopes of getting Nike, Leviathan or Dark Gaia. Also Dian Cecht wouldn't be bad as my first Thunder SSR.

    Got the Wind Gaia instead, which was one of the Rated-Up girls.

    I also played one Daily Selection some time ago who had both Aphrodite and El as Rate-Up girls. Spent 9000 MJ as well, got El instead of the one who I really wanted. So in my experience the Rate Up seems to up the chances to get the girl I want, but in the end of the day it is jst gambling, don't keep hopes too high.

    At least Wind is looking solid now with Gaia, Set, Azazel an El.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geo View Post
    Slashley, I spent all 9000 MJ I got on this recent boob gacha, in the hopes of getting Nike, Leviathan or Dark Gaia. Also Dian Cecht wouldn't be bad as my first Thunder SSR.

    Got the Wind Gaia instead, which was one of the Rated-Up girls.

    I also played one Daily Selection some time ago who had both Aphrodite and El as Rate-Up girls. Spent 9000 MJ as well, got El instead of the one who I really wanted. So in my experience the Rate Up seems to up the chances to get the girl I want, but in the end of the day it is jst gambling, don't keep hopes too high.

    At least Wind is looking solid now with Gaia, Set, Azazel an El.
    First, congrats on Gaia! AW her, she is awesome! And you have Azazel, too, so your wind team will be super strong in like a month or so when Azazel AW comes.

    Second, pulling an SSR consistently with just 3x10 pulls is actually somewhat lucky, and having it land on a rate-up girl is very lucky. As a counter data point, when I pulled for Lugh, I did 10x10 pulls (30k jewels) and did not get a single SSR, like not even a gacha eidolon or weapon dup. When I pulled for Iris with jewels, I didn't get her either. I forgot what my stash was, but it was well in excess of 20k jewels. I ended up pulling her with star coins and it took me a lot more than 3x10 pulls even with star coins... So, I wanted to emphasize this part:

    Quote Originally Posted by Geo View Post
    don't keep hopes too high.

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