Thread: Best SR team for each element

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Fyi, rags dun drop weapons except the very occasional phantom weapon, which you generally don't want to fodder until you have MLB-ed yours. They don't drop eidolons either. They can drop gem fragments and regalias but is not a good source of them. Do rags when you want magna or you want to try your luck at getting a phantom weapon.

I believe that by the time he can kill Ultimates without support, the player will likely have a full grid anyways. So working towards unlocking Soul Weapons seems like the natural evolution of Disaster Farming.

Didn't know Standard Raid was more efficient for weapon farming. Is it the case for Eidolon drops as well? But it seems to me Ultimate drops only Assault weapons, whereas the lesser Raids can drop Defenders as well.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Actually, I usually try to have all himes/souls cover different frames. Sometimes I can't 'cos I don't have the right himes or some mission restrictions etc. It's only then that I stagger buffs that cover the same frame. Mathematically speaking, it's more optimal to have multiple frames stack when you burst/fire all your nukes (for atk buffs) or tank an OD (for def buffs) than to have the same frame up at all times, but we use what we have, so it's good to know what to do when you don't have the perfect setup.

I try to have all the frames covered as well. I just was inspired to come up with more defensive approaches after seeing your take on Guild Orders. You used, for example, 2 Ignited Dragoons and a Nova Kaiser Dragoon against Icarus, in order to always have Wind Resistance Up. Inspired by that, I came up with the strategy of always having Defense Up, as it would mean less resources spent (2 hime slots against 3 Eidolons slots. The Eidolons could be better stat sticks, for example).

Raising Defense right before an Overdrive is coming seemed risky, Icarus seems to nuke out of nowhere sometimes.

Originally Posted by Geo

I believe that by the time he can kill Ultimates without support, the player will likely have a full grid anyways. So working towards unlocking Soul Weapons seems like the natural evolution of Disaster Farming.

Oh I see, I thought you're telling him to farm rags for fodder.

Didn't know Standard Raid was more efficient for weapon farming. Is it the case for Eidolon drops as well?

My data suggests that is the case for eidolons as well, but the difference wasn't big enough to be statistically significant. I'm not sure if the other player I mentioned collected stats on eidolons as well.

If you're curious, I went and dug up the stats I collected:

251 standard raids dropped 30 eidolons (~12% drop rate) and 53 weapons (~21% drop rate)
83 expert raids dropped 7 eidolons (~8% drop rate) and 8 weapons (~10% drop rate)

All raids done solo with no snatch, no Anzu/Sleipnir/Vlad and no drop rates up accessories. I'm actually a little skeptical that the standard-expert difference is that big, but I was just trying to answer for myself whether I should farm standard or expert, and that data was more than enough to convince me to just farm standard, so I stopped collecting additional data.

But it seems to me Ultimate drops only Assault weapons, whereas the lesser Raids can drop Defenders as well.

Correct, I used to tag every ult until I had full assault disaster grid. Once you have a full grid though, both assault and defender weapons are just fodder, so I actually just farm all 18 standard everyday and only farm the ults I need regalia for.

Btw, defender weapons aren't completely useless - they can be useful for those 'use X soul' GO missions where you do not have the correct weapon type for, and if your eidolon grid isn't packed with MLB event eidolons yet, your hp can sometimes use a boost from one or two defender weapons just so you can survive an OD - an extra few turns can more than offset the assault loss if you don't overdo it.

I try to have all the frames covered as well. I just was inspired to come up with more defensive approaches after seeing your take on Guild Orders. You used, for example, 2 Ignited Dragoons and a Nova Kaiser Dragoon against Icarus, in order to always have Wind Resistance Up. Inspired by that, I came up with the strategy of always having Defense Up, as it would mean less resources spent (2 hime slots against 3 Eidolons slots. The Eidolons could be better stat sticks, for example).

Yes, having those LB0 dragoons really tanked my stats. However, resistance, dmg cut and reflect stacks additively, such that you can theoretically hit 100% dmg immunity. Defense formula otoh is a quotient, so you can never achieve 100% dmg immunity - 100% def actually only mitigates 50% of dmg on its own. If you only need to mitigate around 20%-ish of dmg, def up works well enough. If you need higher levels though, resistance/dmg cut/reflect is usually the only viable way to do it.

Btw, you have pointed out a common problem with builds that can achieve very high dmg resistance - it sacrifices a lot of power, so things take forever to clear. If you don't need that level of defenses, it is indeed much better to devote less resources to it to improve your overall power level. Extreme turtling is really more for ppl really determined to clear content that is supposedly beyond their power level (or in my case, I just like the challenge...) Normal ppl do more normal things like just stacking def up as you mentioned without resorting to R and SR eidolons =)

A lot of my GO videos purposely use strategies that are uncommon just to spark ppl's imagination. I'm actually really glad that ppl like you are trying to take what you saw and adapt it in different ways, 'cos that's exactly what I hoped ppl would do. When you come up with something that I haven't thought of I hope you'll share it, too =)

Raising Defense right before an Overdrive is coming seemed risky, Icarus seems to nuke out of nowhere sometimes.

Actually, Icarus is pretty predictable. Go to the first post of the GO Megathread and click on the pastebin links Cobblemaniac provided us - it lists all the triggers of all waves. For Icarus, she'll AoE as long as she is not scorched (her AoE is supposed to scorch her, but sometimes it misses, so she'll AoE again right away - once she scorches herself though, she is completely predictable.)

Edited first post with elaborations on Fire, Water, Wind and Thunder, along with miracle tickets suggestions for those. Figured out that "Which hime should I pick?" would be the most common reply to this kind of thread.

Will finish Dark and Light sooner than later.

Is it important to element match weapons in grid? I was able to grab and start LBing some weapons, but I’m split between elements. I’m running Mordred just because I don’t have a light staff or lance...my swords suck, but at least I have a couple. Really, I’d like to put Belabog on the Sub and run l healer and maybe get Hermès or someone in (or Fodla...Thunder, but super useful it seems).

I’ll keep leveling the weapons too...didn’t appreciate how much of a difference that makes.

Originally Posted by DJL556

Is it important to element match weapons in grid? I was able to grab and start LBing some weapons, but I’m split between elements. I’m running Mordred just because I don’t have a light staff or lance...my swords suck, but at least I have a couple. Really, I’d like to put Belabog on the Sub and run l healer and maybe get Hermès or someone in (or Fodla...Thunder, but super useful it seems).

I’ll keep leveling the weapons too...didn’t appreciate how much of a difference that makes.

Yes, it is important. Ideally you should run mono-element weapons grid and himes, the reason is that weapon skills only apply to himes/soul of matching element (e.g. your light staff or lance weapon skills will help Belobog but not Fodla.)

Btw, it's best to ask these questions in general Q&A.

Felix suggested using off-element himes, namely Brynhildr or Nike for healing, but that was back in March 2017. Nowadays, there are healers for every element and every rarity. Buffs and debuffs don't seem to be evenly distributed though, but one should try and make only mono-element teams. So, I wouldn't run Fodla as an healer in a Light team - but she is great for Thunder!

I second Dreamlitz's suggestion of using the Q&A thread for these questions. That thread is more active than this one, so a reply will come quicker.

Also, I am mostly interested in having a SR tierlist, so replies that contribute towards that (such as Nik bringing up Mihr for Fire or Dreamlitz building not one but three Light teams) are greatly appreciated. It will be useful not only for Miracle Tickets, but also for whenever a SR is available in a Rate-Up Gacha or when I need to build SR-only teams for some events.

One quick note: Slashley stated that Dark Amaterasu is unlikely to ever be available with MJ. But Fire Sol is in a Gacha Campaign right now! I will keep hoarding MJ until around the New Year's festivities. Maybe Dark Amaterasu will show up by then, so my motivation is renewed!

Concluded the first post, adding suggestions for Dark and Light.