Thread: [Event 97] Crucible of Combat VS The Demon Greed [2R]

Originally Posted by Slashley

I still can't believe they did this. The Angel UE weapons are so fucking AWFUL that it is stunning.

Fucking hell DMM, if you want to continue the life cycle of a game, you need to make it so that new players can CATCH UP, not GET LEFT FUCKING BEHIND even more!! One job, DMM, one fucking job!

I mean, 30% assault at FLB SL30 is pretty good imo, at least for me.

Originally Posted by Kitty

I mean, 30% assault at FLB SL30 is pretty good imo, at least for me.

Compared to 21% Assault/Exceed and 15% Assault/secondary? No, no it isn't. There's a reason why double/triple skill weapons are so valuable.

This locks you down to one weapon type (since the second weapon is 100% useless). I haven't checked what the 30% FLBs are, but unless they're literally all Lances/Glaives/Bows/Hammers then welp, there's another reason why this change is so goddamn awful.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Compared to 21% Assault/Exceed and 15% Assault/secondary? No, no it isn't. There's a reason why double/triple skill weapons are so valuable.

This locks you down to one weapon type (since the second weapon is 100% useless). I haven't checked what the 30% FLBs are, but unless they're literally all Lances/Glaives/Bows/Hammers then welp, there's another reason why this change is so goddamn awful.

Were they ever gonna give f2p players better options though?

Originally Posted by Nik

Were they ever gonna give f2p players better options though?

Like the Union events that we have right now, you mean? Like this:
Exceed weapons for all elements. How are new players gonna get Exceeds now? I thing they're giving them from the Olympia raids, but have fun farming that shit as a new player.
Water gets a straight up fucking amazing Glaive Grid.
Thunder gets a Gun Grid, which isn't ideal, but it's... okay? At least as long as you fight Water/Phantom, due to the Guns having shitty Crit on them.
Wind gets a passive PF Grid. It might not be a Phantom Grid, but it's still a passive 240% Burst damage Grid. On an element that's stupid fast to begin with.
Veterans get a Light healing Grid, just like that. How are newer players gonna tackle this DoT spam shit?
Dark gets an Axe Grid, which by itself isn't really anything to write home about, but dem 15% Assault + Pride bonus + 18% HP Axes are no fucking joke. I'll take that shit over 30% Assault ANY day. Also, nearly a complete Hammer Grid just from events, with all the Exceed you'll ever need.

Only Fire gets fucked over by Demons, whileas with Angels, you have... you have... okay fine, I'll look it up. Fire gets Glaive, Dark gets Lance, Thunder gets Axes, Water gets Staves... Light and Wind aren't out yet. So yeah, Thunder and Water are thoroughly shafted, Fire and Dark are fine-ish once you get a bundle of them... which uh... apparently isn't very fast since there's been four Union events over the course of eight months. So they happen every TWO months now, and you only get 250 Holy Soul Points? Holy shit, that means that it'll take new players TEN MONTHS to reach Shingen. Wow. Just... wow.
One.
FUCKING.
JOB.
DMM.

Jesus fucking christ the whole fucking Angel thing pisses me off so badly. How can they fuck this up so much?

Originally Posted by Slashley

Like the Union events that we have right now, you mean? Like this:
Exceed weapons for all elements. How are new players gonna get Exceeds now? I thing they're giving them from the Olympia raids, but have fun farming that shit as a new player.
Water gets a straight up fucking amazing Glaive Grid.
Thunder gets a Gun Grid, which isn't ideal, but it's... okay? At least as long as you fight Water/Phantom, due to the Guns having shitty Crit on them.
Wind gets a passive PF Grid. It might not be a Phantom Grid, but it's still a passive 240% Burst damage Grid. On an element that's stupid fast to begin with.
Veterans get a Light healing Grid, just like that. How are newer players gonna tackle this DoT spam shit?
Dark gets an Axe Grid, which by itself isn't really anything to write home about, but dem 15% Assault + Pride bonus + 18% HP Axes are no fucking joke. I'll take that shit over 30% Assault ANY day. Also, nearly a complete Hammer Grid just from events, with all the Exceed you'll ever need.

Only Fire gets fucked over by Demons, whileas with Angels, you have... you have... okay fine, I'll look it up. Fire gets Glaive, Dark gets Lance, Thunder gets Axes, Water gets Staves... Light and Wind aren't out yet. So yeah, Thunder and Water are thoroughly shafted, Fire and Dark are fine-ish once you get a bundle of them... which uh... apparently isn't very fast since there's been four Union events over the course of eight months. So they happen every TWO months now, and you only get 250 Holy Soul Points? Holy shit, that means that it'll take new players TEN MONTHS to reach Shingen. Wow. Just... wow.
One.
FUCKING.
JOB.
DMM.

Jesus fucking christ the whole fucking Angel thing pisses me off so badly. How can they fuck this up so much?

Well of you're looking at it holistically it does seem pretty bad. I was only comparing the weapons...so far the only difference seems to be demon weps have an flb, but angel weps pretty much match the stats of demon weps without flb.
Demon weps have extra burst effects also while angels dont...not sure how much value is placed on those.

on another note, Frigg without glasses is cute~

tfw finds Set when Frigg rates are up
kek

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

-- Combined with nerfed ults and rags,--

I don't think they're nerfing Ults? Well, they're giving a MASSIVE HP nerf to Ult Dark (because fuck that guy), and a minor (rather insignificant) HP nerf to Water and Light Ults. But with no mechanics changes, they won't be very accessible to newer players.

No idea about the Rag nerfs, though.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

You can also buy HSP from that new shop. Limited to 100/month if I'm not misreading, so it'll still take a while, but for those that aren't active enough to join a decent union, you can still unlock Shingen and Morgan eventually.

And there totally isn't a better use for whatever currency that shop uses? Because usually, there is. Which pointlessly slows down newer players, when they should be speeding up instead.

Originally Posted by Nik

Well of you're looking at it holistically it does seem pretty bad. I was only comparing the weapons...so far the only difference seems to be demon weps have an flb, but angel weps pretty much match the stats of demon weps without flb.

Angel weapons need their FLB too. The difference is:
1. Demon weapons are dual-skill, which inherently way more powerful than single-skill weapons. Like for Advent weapons, would you rather get 8% more Assault, or 5% more Assault and 15% more HP?
2. There are two good Demon weapons, and one out of the two is an Exceed weapon. While you don't need much Exceeds, you do need one or two (if you own a P2W Eidolon). Angel weapons? There's one Assault weapon, and one total fucking garbage one.

Originally Posted by Nik

Demon weps have extra burst effects also while angels dont...not sure how much value is placed on those.

None whatsoever, since you always use Soul Weapons anyway.

Fuck I think i was looking at the wrong thing. Was on the JP wiki. Was looking at guardian angels, but it's actually the seraph stuff isn't it?

Originally Posted by Slashley

I don't think they're nerfing Ults? Well, they're giving a MASSIVE HP nerf to Ult Dark (because fuck that guy), and a minor (rather insignificant) HP nerf to Water and Light Ults.

Got ninja-ed on this one.

But with no mechanics changes, they won't be very accessible to newer players.

I'm not sure, only dark ult is not solo-able right now without a solid grid though. If you have a decent team, the other ults should be close to solo-able with full disaster phantom grid once you've unlocked a few T3 souls and have a full event eido grid. This is especially the case if ppl are willing to spend $30 for the beginner mtix that matches the element from their guaranteed SSR roll or the 100% they re-rolled into.

No idea about the Rag nerfs, though.

I was thinking the light rag, which imo is the hardest rag by far. That one gets nerfed severely around the end of the year iirc. The changes I can remember off the top of my head are:
a. Main boss no longer instantly rages on turn 7
b. Top add no longer casts that ridiculous dmg cut + light atk up combo (only the atk/def up combo)
c. Main boss' death beams are no longer locked onto a single target but is actually randomly scattered

I think thunder rag's zapping also got nerfed from 10 to 5 zaps, but dun quote me on that one.

Not sure if there are other nerfs, I paid most attention to light as usual...

And there totally isn't a better use for whatever currency that shop uses? Because usually, there is. Which pointlessly slows down newer players, when they should be speeding up instead.

Actually, there're all sorts of goodies from that shop, but the currency can just be farmed from regular raids. If I read the wiki correctly, hosting and mvp-ing all standard, expert and ultimate raids gets you 216 medals a day, so that works out to over 6000 per month. Rags can get you more. You probably want to grab all of the following:

• All tickets - 1125 medals
• All draconic eyes and shards - 1450 medals
• All HSP - 500 medals - not that expensive!
• A phantom weapon - 2000 medals/weapon - each type limited to 1/month, so you can MLB it in 4 months without doing a single rag

That still leaves you about 1000 spare medals, which you can use to buy ori to get ori shop weapons without even doing GO, or just save them for FLBs. You can also use those medals to trade for pages needed for T4 soul, but I think it's ok that new players can't unlock them that quickly.

None whatsoever, since you always use Soul Weapons anyway.

Actually, I have used non-soul weapons for GO, 'cos some souls are just not worth investing a soul weapon in until you start the T4 soul grind (looking at you Sieg, who's GO mission this week >.>)

Outside of that, if you're slightly crazy like me, occasionally you'll have builds that use T2 souls instead of T3, in which case the soul weapon bonuses dun apply. Those situations are extremely rare though, so for all intents and purposes, weapon burst effects are useless as Slashley stated.

Originally Posted by Nik

Fuck I think i was looking at the wrong thing. Was on the JP wiki. Was looking at guardian angels, but it's actually the seraph stuff isn't it?

Lol, yeah seraph replaced demon for UE. Guardian weapons are generally very solid, but completely inaccessible to newbies.