Thread: Guide to Disaster raids for new players

Originally Posted by Delete

Slashley, I think you made an error on the Ultimate fragments rewards

Did I?

I mean them as stuff that stacks. If you get MvP, you get 3 Fragments. You're also part of "Everyone" so you get 2 Fragments, for a total of 5 Fragments. Maybe that's just me wanting to be more complicated that necessary?

1)about ulti drop change - we will keep regalia for hosting + chance for another, even if you join + guaranted fragments (up to 5)+ chance for 2-3 extra fragments + new currency (dragon orb, pages, phantom weapons etc) + t3-t4 stars +some garbage like sr fodder weapon, exp currency
2) wind ulti is debuff immune... Yama aw just didn't knew about it. in other cases it's almost true.
3) thunder ulti hits hard... disagree, even Frigg is more then enough to keep hp at about 100% during aab with -50/50. Water/light hits much harder comparing to thunder. Dark will be nerfed somedays, it's solo aab-able now even with off-element. Top team is Shingen, X, Eros aw, Sol aw, Mike aw. X is Tishia or damage dealer like Vishnu etc (I guess that Tishia is #1 because we have 0 def debuff in other case). This team makes almost impossible to fail during dark ulti/rag (excluding if you kill only 1 add on rag and keep second alive ). Unfortunately I have only Eros and Tishia. Mike is must have to make Eros work properly. Her aw will be this winter just like raid rework (i don't remember exact date). Block a debuff + get 20 charge bar to everyone after each burst is a good strategy to win dark ulti/rag.

Originally Posted by Delete

Ok, I see what you mean, but this is not the way I see it.
Just for the record...I have been able to solo Dark Ultimate for a long time, but I still have problems with the Light one. Playstyle things and all that.

I don't think it's playstyle... I was talking about AAB. More like available Hime, maybe? Speaking of which, I'd love to know to your Light team (and main Eidolon). It certainly isn't impossible, but it's likely to be... improbable that even veterans can solo it? I mean, I'm pretty sure that I couldn't (reliably) solo it if I didn't have specifically Sol.

And yes, Ult Light is rough to solo because she keeps removing Hime one by one.

Originally Posted by Bear

@Slash

Please kindly do not refer to or link to my old post. It's not updated (even by pre-nerf standard) nor I have any intention to update it. Thank you.

You know how the internet works. Once you put something up there, it's up there. Forever.

That said, I'm willing to remove such linking... when something better is available. Until then...

Originally Posted by Mraktar

1)about ulti drop change - we will keep regalia for hosting + chance for another, even if you join + guaranted fragments (up to 5)+ chance for 2-3 extra fragments + new currency (dragon orb, pages, phantom weapons etc) + t3-t4 stars +some garbage like sr fodder weapon, exp currency

Cool, that sounds like an upgrade.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

2) wind ulti is debuff immune... Yama aw just didn't knew about it. in other cases it's almost true.

Wasn't Awakened Yamaraja guaranteed debuffs? That's become a thing over on DMM. For us, the very first one that we'll see will be an Eidolon effect in ~two weeks.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

3) thunder ulti hits hard... disagree, even Frigg is more then enough to keep hp at about 100% during aab with -50/50.

Well you see, there's a liiiiittle problem with that. We don't have Frigg until ~two weeks from now. Also, you're talking about post December nerf Ults, I assume? I don't know if Ult Thunder gets hit by those nerfs (oh dear user who kept the DMM patch notes up on the DMM wiki, why did you stop? We need that shit since Nutaku DOESN'T EVEN GIVE US THE FUCKING PATCH NOTES in the first place!!!), but it's fully possible that her damage output was nerfed. Also, I don't want to rely on giving advice on very specific, singular Hime such as Frigg. We can't rely on people having those Hime, so we shouldn't give advice that relies on that.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

-- Top team is Shingen, X, Eros aw, Sol aw, Mike aw. --

"Hey, there is a perfect, specific full SSR team that can do X, why don't you just do that?" is not very helpful, sadly. Especially since Eros Awakening isn't here until four months from now.

I mean, I fully realize that my advice for Wind Ult isn't much better, but if anyone has any advice that isn't basically "Oh just bring T4 Shingen, Uriel AW, Vahagn, Haruhi, Fire Frey and it's easy"... well, please share it with me.

Originally Posted by Slashley

And yes, Ult Light is rough to solo because she keeps removing Hime one by one.You know how the internet works. Once you put something up there, it's up there. Forever.

That said, I'm willing to remove such linking... when something better is available. Until then...

Sure. In that case do not quote me responsible for any inaccuracy or vague interpretations if the raids do something unexpected. But hey maybe you like being outdated and blind, or just simply don't care since you expect others to carry you. Either way, you bunch have been warned.

I find it hilarious how this happened:

Last edited by Kitty; 1 Day Ago at 07:44 PM.

Well, I guess I'll just never update the first post. What parts are written by me? What parts are written by Kitty? I suppose we'll never know!
Good thing I have the second post, I guess. Will post the guides to the nerfed content when it happens in Dec.

And also this:

Originally Posted by Bear

Sure. In that case do not quote me responsible for any inaccuracy or vague interpretations if the raids do something unexpected. But hey maybe you like being outdated and blind, or just simply don't care since you expect others to carry you. Either way, you bunch have been warned.

Har har har, adding the bolded part a full day after the post is pretty amusing. I guess Bear just wants to be seen as an aggressive person, for some reason.

Originally Posted by Slashley

I find it hilarious how this happened:Well, I guess I'll just never update the first post. What parts are written by me? What parts are written by Kitty? I suppose we'll never know!
Good thing I have the second post, I guess. Will post the guides to the nerfed content when it happens in Dec.

just changed it to thread by laven instead of bear since he had such a problem with it. wanted to avoid any bullshit bc i know some ppl here have major anger management issues, as shown by the replies to this thread + others.
you can edit it back, tho. if you want.

I've added the first two Guardians to the second post.

Originally Posted by Slashley

That said, I'm willing to remove such linking... when something better is available. Until then...Cool, that sounds like an upgrade.Wasn't Awakened Yamaraja guaranteed debuffs? That's become a thing over on DMM. For us, the very first one that we'll see will be an Eidolon effect in ~two weeks.Well you see, there's a liiiiittle problem with that. We don't have Frigg until ~two weeks from now. Also, you're talking about post December nerf Ults, I assume? I don't know if Ult Thunder gets hit by those nerfs (oh dear user who kept the DMM patch notes up on the DMM wiki, why did you stop? We need that shit since Nutaku DOESN'T EVEN GIVE US THE FUCKING PATCH NOTES in the first place!!!), but it's fully possible that her damage output was nerfed. Also, I don't want to rely on giving advice on very specific, singular Hime such as Frigg. We can't rely on people having those Hime, so we shouldn't give advice that relies on that."Hey, there is a perfect, specific full SSR team that can do X, why don't you just do that?" is not very helpful, sadly. Especially since Eros Awakening isn't here until four months from now.

I mean, I fully realize that my advice for Wind Ult isn't much better, but if anyone has any advice that isn't basically "Oh just bring T4 Shingen, Uriel AW, Vahagn, Haruhi, Fire Frey and it's easy"... well, please share it with me.

About Frigg - she just heals 1800/6t cd, nothing special. Great thing that she debuffs wind def/thunder attack with her 1-st skill, but you can get -50/50 other way. Sol aw/Diancent in very fast team heals much, much more. On Nutaku you have Seth too, who heals 1500 + removes a debuff, debuffs multihit to almost 0 and do other cool things. Frigg isn't a must have hime for aab thunder ulti. I replace her on nutaku with Sol aw and easy solo aab thunder ulti with garbage team of Hastur, Iblis, Rami, Sol aw. And Frigg is almost released on nutaku - 1 day left if schedule is correct.
About wind ulti - I use Herc, Swarog aw, Yama aw and 2 sr - Brynn and Heph (just too lazy to replace her from advent team, she does almost nothing here). Swarog can be replaced with Haruhi, but she's limited. Yama is the only one who can debuff this boss so you don't want to use other debuffers. Dispel multihit buffs helps too if you can. Strategy is simple - kill her before she kills you. But on DMM wind ulti has nerfed damage/multihit as i can see.
Well, i understand that full ssr team is too much to advice someone, It's just a perfect team, but I guess, then t3 shingen + eros aw + mike aw + Attar instead of Sol aw+ someone else ( like Diana sr) should be more then enough after the nerf for 100% winrate.

upd: did 3 wind ulti - got 4 regalias, 2 eydo, 1 weapon, pieces + other stuff. It's about the average drop value.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

But on DMM wind ulti has nerfed damage/multihit as i can see.

Please don't spout nonsense out of thin air. WiUL was never nerfed. Only Water, Light and Dark among the ULs, and Water Thunder Light among the Rags, were nerfed.

Originally Posted by Bear

Please don't spout nonsense out of thin air. WiUL was never nerfed. Only Water, Light and Dark among the ULs, and Water Thunder Light among the Rags, were nerfed.

It was just my personal impression because i've got too much oneshots on nutaku with wiult's multihits while almost never got them on dmm last months even before yama was awaken and almost always (now it's always) solo aab-ed it when i was too lazy to press "invite" on 50% hp. Maybe my dmm grid is already stronger then nutaku's and it's just a missconception.