Thread: Kamihime - the journey of the first 2.5 years

Again, over time, you WILL get a full FLB Grid. Once you have a full FLB Grid, just how much do you need to get 20% more damage now? In other words:

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

I didn't mean to make it sound like it's no big deal, but I stand by my statement that the grid matters more:

FLB-ing increases your base stats as well, so if half your atk comes from your weapons, a 10% increase from base stats from FLB-ing all your weapons is a 5% increase in dmg - this will be multiplicative with the additional assault you get (as well as exceed and vigor.) The 205% assault (I actually got 193% but doesn't really matter) becomes around 179% to 190% depending on how you do your calc, which technically is feasible with full FLB. Also, assault isn't everything. Don't ignore things like exceed and vigor that might come as a second skill on FLB, exceed in particular matters a lot in late game when everyone has tiara sets and therefore short burst cycles. You should see a big change in dmg if you try doing dummy with and without exceed weapons (this isn't just about hitting cap either, exceed acts as a separate multiplier such that a single large FLB exceed boosts your burst dmg by 10%-ish if you're not using PF.)

Going from full SSR to full FLB grid should boost your dmg by 20%-ish just from base stats and assault gain, and much more when you include exceed and vigor even if we ignore endurance skills like defender and ascension. --

Once you have your Vigors and Exceeds and your 200% Assaults, do they diminish the value of a P2W? No, no they don't. On the contrary, ALL of this is further boosted by having a P2W Eidolon. This is why you're looking at it wrong.

Is having a Grid important? Of course it is. But that's not the point - the point is, YOU WILL GET YOUR GRID (unless you're a new player, in which case fuck you, free FLB Exceeds are not for you anymore). You will (probably) NOT GET a P2W Eidolon. That is simply an unsurmountable wall, a barrier that one simply cannot cross by their own. Unless you happen to get ludicrously lucky, or daddy owns some tropical islands.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Actually, if we're talking about 'meta' grids, you most certainly are NOT guaranteed to end up with a 'meta' grid --

There is no point in talking about omegaspacewhalefromanotherdimension levels of Grids. Is a Grid of 4-8 Marduk Hammers and 0-4 Raiko Hammers better than a Grid you get for free? Of course it is. Is it going to be 20%+ more damage than a FLB Grid you can get for free? ... probably not? You can do the maths if you want, I have made a damage calc exactly for that purpose and everything.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Game progression isn't hinged on whether you have a P2W or not though,--

I don't see how this a point either. You can literally go through all of the game progression with slvl1 Defender weapons and R Hime, depending on how you define progression (such as, playing through the storyline and completing raids events for the sidestories).

But that's not really what these forums are about. Or any other place as far as I know, since there is no juice to be had there - that's "once and done" stuff. Discussion comes mostly from min/maxing in some form - sometimes people talk about omegaspacewhalefromanotherdimension Grids and teams which makes little sense to me, as there's much more value to be had in minmaxing things that you actually can influence without daddy owning several oil fields.


But seriously, don't undersell P2W Eidolons. They are a massive game changer. I'm not sure about your 20% damage boost, since last time it was 25% when I checked. This, however, could be a figure from before Soul weapons and didn't assume elemental advantage, so eh, good enough I suppose. Still, in two months we're moving from 100%s to 160%s and ooooh boy, 20% isn't gonna cut it anymore.
Sure that's unfair since it is comparing 0-stars to 4-stars, but hey, Eidolon bricks are a thing even for free now.

The reason why they're not mentioned here is because they're not reliable for you to get - and rather difficult to split into eras. I mean, how would I categorize them? "Pre-P2W," "After P2W" and "by now 99% of people who didn't find P2W have either rerolled into one long ago or have outright quit in frustration" eras?

Let me sum up all this algebra:

Weapon grid is more important than having a p2w Eidolon when it comes to power up a team.

Having a p2w Eidolon is more important than whatever other options there are.

Olympian Eidolons will be the best option available for f2players. But again, the p2w ones are (generally, or always?) better.

Is that the correct conclusion?

Originally Posted by Geo

Let me sum up all this algebra:

Weapon grid is more important than having a p2w Eidolon when it comes to power up a team.

Having a p2w Eidolon is more important than whatever other options there are.

Olympian Eidolons will be the best option available for f2players. But again, the p2w ones are (generally, or always?) better.

Is that the correct conclusion?

No. Not always. Over here it's entirely possible to use a Guardian vigor grid + specific builds (i.e. Perseus' total shutdown build, i.e.2 Yorimitsu triple FB + couple rounds of NAtk during peak hour, where your frontloading dmg is so high the boss is dead before anyone else can finish their rotation) to outdmg decent 100% users. I've lost to a guy on my FL with nearly 10k less Atk power than my team does quite a few times. It all depends on team + weapon skills + real time control.

.... obviously this doesn't apply to space whales with 90~100k power grids but then they prolly wouldn't even use 100% and might just use Burst Streak summons instead...