Thread: Kamihime - the journey of the first 2.5 years

Interesting read + nostalgia. Really gives you the feeling that Kamipro is getting old. I'll be switching over to Unitia if it ever gets a translation.

i did read that from beginning to end. well done bro.

i m not too concerned about future, since KHP is still a highly ranked game in Japan. so developments will continue.
in regards to catchup mechanic, it seems like the devs are rolling out extremely high requirements on initial release, then either nerf the requirement or buff the drop rates to help newer players catch up. also they are adding more shops and more items in those shops, so catching up is a lot easier i think. that doesnt necessarily mean reaching par - but getting a viable wpn grid is now a matter of just grinding enuf mats.

Really interesting to me. I’ve been in since Nutaku-launch, but completely half-assed until DraPro died, end of last year. I have a maxed out Vine, all element Herc weapons, at least 1 exceed for each element and am slowly moving towards Shingen bows in all elements. So I’ve never quite been using the meta, as I have never quite caught up to the leading edge, but I’ve been aware of some of the more recent history.

What you’ve put here though goes into so much more detail. I remember the early trigger bosses, and not understanding why I was being wrecked until finding a post here. Honestly the way they run this game, it is like there are two games - the one for people who want to deduce wtf the bosses do, and the rest of us who need to trawl out of game resources to get a clue. I’m fine with that tbh, reading posts here keeps me more engaged in the game, especially since I’m not on Discord for KH.

And that’s always been an odd factor for me in KH. Social tools here are absolute bare bones. Sure, everybody has always used external stuff even on games that support exists for chat etc, but newbie players often only use the built in stuff. Unions who don’t have a leader prepared to maintain external content just die. I doubt that is going to change, but I wonder what the design decision on that was.

I'm looking at you, 350 story drops, 150 SR books, 80 SSR books, 10 Advent Rag Cores, 4m Gems, 150 T3 Crystals, 1050 T4 Crystals, 1500 T2 Cores, 1800 Fangs, 900 Regalia, 300 Magnas, 300 Olympia Globes, 15 Orihalcums, 7 Dragon Eye, 3000 Eidolon Orbs, 3000 Soul Points and... 4000 Och raids (coming April 2020). Not sure about the Och raids. But yeah. HAVE. FUN. WITH. THAT. This is per Soul, if getting all six elements.

1) about labyrinth event - don't forget, that labyrinth gives 3 ssr weapons, 2 garbage and 3-rd - triple skill flb-able, next labyrinth (october? will be less grindy + auto progress should be enabled)
2) to get t4 soul you must do 4 fixed quests + 5-th is soul weapon upgrade, you need to do it once to get a soul, other weapons are optional. To get a soul you need a 1m gems, 7x50 story items (wait for 1/2 ap event and spend a day for it), 10 advent orbs, 30 sr books, 20 ssr books, 3k eydo orbs, 6x150 fangs, 150 t3 crystals ,2 books (100 pages each), 15 ori (you can easy trade 20 per month for shards + go+ many other sources), 150 t4 crystals (worth nothing after raid rework, nutaku will get it this winter), 250x6 t2 idea cores (this and fangs are most terrifying things in this grindfest), 1 dragon orb, 6x150 regalas. For weapon upgrade you need a soul weapon 125/20 (120 regalias), 3 books, 500 sp/hsp, 1 dragon orb, 20 sr books, 10 ssr books, 150 fangs, 50 ragnarok items, 50 olympia items, 500k gems. Result - flb-ed t4 soul weapon, lvl/slvl are set to 1, + value is carried over, and this:



You don't need to have soul weapons for each element, maybe sometimes later.
About t4 souls- it's my personal opinion, but if you use t3 Shingen, t4 should be a first priority after she wil be released in second wave. T4 Herc didn't impressed me much, Joan and Andy became much, much stronger, so if you need them - you will not regret. I would say, that Asclepius should be second/ third soul. About damagers - I like Medea very much (t4 Solomon), much more then t4 Herc (she has elem resist debuff if you can't reach a cap). Wave 1 - Arthur, Joan, Andy, Solomon, Sieg. Wave 2 - the rest. And yes, you will never use t3 souls after unlock of t4 ones. So prepare to grind a lot and try to collect as many mats as possible nowdays.

P.S. You forgot about 1 more milestone that changed the game - tiara sets, they are so absurdly strong.
p.p.s. t4 soul with no relic weapon >> t3 with relic. For example, Solomon's s1 is 450-500% nuke, Medea's is 1000%, Medea's 6 element nuke becomes aoe, or if we should look at Shingen, t3 buff is 2/8 (25% uptime) of 15 data/10 tata, t4 has 3/7 (42% uptime) of 25% data/15% tata/30% bg gain up, or t4's PF doesn't consume bg so we have no problem with FB etc. And I didn't mentioned that t4 souls have 3 variants of s2 and s3 so DMM lives in t4 souls era now (mainly t4 Shingen, then Andy, then Solomon, sometimes Joan, other are rarely/never seen in raids).

DMM has just added weekly rotating Advents, starting with Typhon.
also don't knock Epic Raids, with it's help i have full SSR dark/water grids now and fire is pretty close, Dark is fully leveled/slvled/+99 only lacking FLB weaps, not bad for 6 months without using jewel gatcha or tix.

What does it mean "you can't get new himes on Nutaku with Jewels"?

Is it truly a feature, or just you overreacting to the bad luck of not getting a new SSR?

EDIT: Also, I think the Souls Eras were an interesting read, but I feel we are more in a "100% Eidolon or FU" Era.

Originally Posted by Geo

What does it mean "you can't get new himes on Nutaku with Jewels"?

Is it truly a feature, or just you overreacting to the bad luck of not getting a new SSR?

I am quite convinced that Nutaku Jewel rate-up is either 1.1x or 2x. It's simply way too common for people to have found one or two Rate Up SSR Himes despite having played for years.

So, premise. Let's say that after a few days (once Grisaia event starts and where DMM boosted Rate Up to 25x) you land on a SSR Hime slot with Jewels, on Nutaku and on DMM. There will be 86 SSR Hime in the pool at that point. Let's say that the newest Rate Up Hime is OP as fuck, and that there are also 10 other newer, power-creeped the fuck out Hime in the pool as well (think of Iris and friends). So then, what is the difference?
On Nutaku, your chances to find a power-creeped one is (2+10)/(86+1) = 12/87 = ~13.7%
On DMM, your chances to find a power-creeped one is (25+10)/(86+24) = 35/110 = ~31.8%
So on DMM, if you land on that 1.8% slot, you're about 2.5x more likely to find something useful. Maybe this will be easier to read:

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Nutaku: 300/(1.8%*13.7%) = ~120833 Jewels per useful Hime
DMM:    300/(1.8%*31.8%) = ~ 52380 Jewels per useful Hime

THAT is no small difference. And it assumes that Rate Up for Nutaku Hime is a whopping 2x which it might honestly not be.

So, here is the devious part. You know all those Limiteds that are coming up? Yeah, those are not staying in the pool. In other words... the "bad" Hime will forever stay in the pool, and the new hotness WILL NOT. So your chances to find good shit in the Gacha will not really go up much anymore. Have fun with that!

Originally Posted by Geo

EDIT: Also, I think the Souls Eras were an interesting read, but I feel we are more in a "100% Eidolon or FU" Era.

I didn't touch on P2W Eidolons, mostly because those are outside of things you can influence. I mean, you can pay thousands of dollars and MAYBE get one, but chances are, you won't. I keep hearing about this certain player who was pissed off at spending 1000 dollars in Gacha and didn't find Cerberus, "only" found one 120% Eidolon. And I'm like... what? Nigger please.

The average cost of finding a RANDOM P2W Eidolon is 4200 dollars (or 420000 Jewels). There are 11 in the pool, so finding a 120% one is 4200 dollars/(4/11) = 11550 dollars. And somebody found one with less than one tenth of that and was UNHAPPY? What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Notice, this is taking several assumptions. One, that real money Gacha has same P2W rates as Jewels do, as our data comes from Jewel rerolls. Two, that 120% Eidolons are not weighted down, which honestly would shock me if true.

I also didn't touch upon Accessory Set Bonus, because well, the grind for that is insane. Is it a massive upgrade? Yes. Have the most hardcore players done it for at least 4 SSRs? Sure. Do I think it's worth mentioning? Not really. To begin with, how do I even classify the eras? I guess "the era of no accessories", followed by "the era of R accessories since AQ4 drops jackshit", followed by "the era of SSR accessories from AQ5", finally ending up in "the 'why did we bother with SSR accessory era when the only thing that matters now is Tiaras?' era"? I... don't think that's particularly interesting, especially when the only real upgrade in there are the Tiaras.