Thread: Grace or Sylseth ?

Hi guys ! The title is resuming everything .
I'm currently questionning myself about mage armors in general. I don't know that much about the class, and i wondered for blacks, if i could target one of them, should i target Grace or Sylseth ?
I have the impression Grace is generaly more usefull + easier to use, but Sylseth is better for some synergie cases.
So, for an early / mid game account (thanks nutaku), which one would be the best ?
Any advices/opinions for mage armors in general ?
Excuse my poor english, and thanks for your answer(s) =)

I'm not an dmm player and i don't have grace on our version , but i have jessica and i actually used her a lot so i tend to quite like mage armors.
I'm talking stricly by looking at the aigis wiki , so take my answer witha grain of salt



That being said , looking at stats alone , it;s obvious that grace is a defensive magic armor , while sylseth tends to be more offensive. Grace has 3460 hp and 706 defense , and with her skill she can double that (and her attack) or triple after saw , which does mean that she can probably tank golems if she has to.
Sylseth has more hp (3675) but less armor (663). She also has 50 or so more damage.


The thing with sylseth is that her skill is automatic activation and infinite duration. That in itself is really good , but she won't have the burst in damage grace will have....and even after SAW , sylseth only gets to use her 3x damage skill once before it reverts to her normal skill. Ofc , her normal skill is not bad considering she gains range and reduces magic to all enemies by 20 which can increase her and her allies damage assuming they are magic damage dealers and that the enemy has mr.


Also the fact that she has damage increase vs demons and yokai is a decent passive seeing that demons are plenty of enemies , even on our version.



I actually don't like her skill that much , untill her second awakening. Sylseth as a ultimate magic sovereign seems amazing imo. 322 range is actually insane for a magic armor , even if her skill won't do as much damage as grace. She can hit at almost double the range.




Honestly dunno what to recomand , since i haven't used any of them , and on paper both seem good. If it were me i;d rather go sylseth

Just as Loli XXX said. Grace leans towards defense while Sylseth is the more offensive of the two.

Sylseth will never be a supertank. At max level on her 2AW with prince deployed and with Elyse's skill she can't tank a mithril golem. Maybe with some more buffs she might be able to pull it off, but it would require a lot of resources to get to that point while there are plenty of other units who can tank better than her without much hassle.

However in my opinion Mage Armors are not supposed to tank bosses, they are supposed to get rid of multiple enemies while also being able to hold the line against said enemies, and in this regard Sylseth is better. Mage Armors only deal AoE magic damage while they are using their skills and Sylseth's skill has unlimited duration, so she can start dishing damage from the start and never stop dealing said damage. She's durable enough to tank most enemies except the ones that would require a supertank, while also dishing respectable damage on her own and she also has the range to assist other lanes or a duelist or tank facing an enemy she can't tank. At the start of the game she can carry most maps while in the late game she is still able to pull her weight and help a lot your other magic damage dealers with her FLAT MR resistance debuff.


I have not used Grace, but what I can tell is that she's completely reliable on her skill. Without it she can only help as a blocker of multiple enemies, but she can't deal with them nor can she tank a powerful enemy without said skill. This means she requires higher knowledge to properly use, you need to have her skill available when a big boss is coming, but you might also need it to deal with a wave of multiple enemies. Since it has a rather low reuse time, I think you wouldn't have much trouble accomplishing this but is something to consider. She also has considerably less range than Sylseth and that is something you'd definitely feel. Grace however is able to tank anything with proper support WHILE her skill is up and she also comes with an MR buff to all of your melee units that is definitely worth considering.


All in all they are both great units and is up to you to decide which one to choose.
Long story short Sylseth is definitely easier to use and considering my point of view on Mage Armor usage, she's the one I would choose. However Grace is more beautiful

i get the feeling that people seriously missunderstand my name.


Legit the first time i heard the term loli was when i started playing aigis and coming on this forum.


I really wasn't (and i'm still not that into) japanese culture. I just found the game by sheer luck and found it interesting , since i've always liked tower defenses. I started searching for guides and ran into this site. After a while i realized how my name could be interpreted

It was just a joke man, I didn't mean to imply anything by it.

don't worry mate. i know it was a joke. It's not the first time i hear it tho

According to the tier list linked on the wikia, Grace is used more often than Sylseth for endgame content (majin 11-15) but Sylseth sounds amazing over Grace for every other kind of content. Grace also gives all of your allied melee units 10 MR. This can be very strong if you have Cynthia, one of the 1000 RC trading post blacks as she has a base MR of 40.

Thank you for all your answers guys, that's a big help for me