How to use AW Betty (because apparently Gold Get use needs to be taught as well)

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Originally Posted by Pyonification

Edit: Wait, I just realize the guy in quote also sells his irons doesn't he? I didn't sell the irons I got from MB.
-Running PGate to get gold output right now.


Edit: Updated version of research.

While I don't have an awakened Betty, I have an Awakened Lyla. So I tried to use her for mysterious beast as mentioned by Eab1990.
I ended up with 4000~4200 gold a run.

To handle the air units, I had multiple hit squads of a Witch+Archer pair to hold the bottom portion of the screen to kill the gargoyles and red gargoyles. Once the gargoyles were dead, I withdrew the pair and allowed Lyla to keep wailing away.

Red wolves usually get through. When the slimes approach, I used Lyla's reckless abandon skill(or as ungracefully called, Risk Life III)

They other guy in quote claims 3600 a run with PGate.
Running it myself nets 2000~2100 gold a run.

Mysterious Beast is 20Charisma to PGate's 12Charisma
which means for PGate you get 175gold per Charisma.
Meanwhile Mysterious Beast gives 210gold per Charisma.

On raw gold gain, Mysterious Beast gets you 35 more gold.

Note: This excludes selling the irons you get, which could alter the result based on drop rates.

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hmm, thanks for the research. although I'm skeptical about your 2k gold per run in pastoral gate. I think that's due to using AW lyla instead of betty? exkale tried it out earlier, and with a prince buff (and some effort on skill timing on AW betty I think) he managed to kill all but 1 goblin.

edit: just some data to illustrate my point: using stats from aigis wikia, mysterious beast has 92 enemies and 1440 gold on 3*. pastoral gate has 45 enemies and 900 gold on 3*. using your numbers, you'll have to generate 2.5k gold from enemy kills in MB, and 1.1k gold on pastoral gate.
but I do agree with your point that MB is potentially another place to farm gold using Gold Get! ability. although I think pastoral gate should take half the time of MB, I can't confirm that anyway so I'll just leave it to readers to decide themselves.

That was an old video and it was messing around with fielded units to show why Betty needs levels before she can do anything of value.

Here is the one I recorded today:
44/45 https://youtu.be/Qg8HKctSyCI

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Originally Posted by soranokira

I am NOT advocating others to do so. I am TELLING people HOW others are saying AW betty is used. which is why I did not say I agree with lafate's order of AW in which he prioritized betty first. however, for those who DID AW betty first like in lafate's AW order list, the way to farm gold effectively using her is to farm pastoral gate WHEN YOU NEED GOLD. I myself do NOT need gold atm. therefore, I do NOT see the reason for myself to rush betty AW.

This is in particular a reply to a question lolix asked on shoutbox on 'which is the map to farm using AW betty', as well as to your bullshit comment on "100k gold in exchange for ZERO unit progression and inferior level xp after using a full bar of charisma??? And i thought only fark will come up with such ideas and do it" because this is NOT an idea that is fark-tier. This is actually a legitimate way of farming gold which you have NOT experienced because you have not reached the point where you lack gold like some people in DMM. and all the shit ass long breaks we were given in nutaku did not help things either since virtually everyone who had been playing before commission sortie was implemented has managed to stock up 2mil gold and easily more than 100 DC if they did not buy every current TP unit.

edit: also, I myself WILL use AW betty to farm LCB1 if I had her, as well as use her as my primary assassin
edit2: I would also farm pastoral gate with AW betty if I needed the gold, instead of commissioning Deep Forest Road. Pastoral gate farming with AW betty > Deep Forest Road's gold, as previously calculated by lolix in the shoutbox. Although, there are easier gold-getting units like maurette, patra, noel and mia. but let's wait until we actually get them.

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Umm, i am not sure if you understand the word "advocate" but it is a scale lower than "TELLING" people to do things.
"TELLING" is sometimes used synonymously with "giving an order"

Either way lesson learnt:

1. never "tell" someone else to do something you haven't done, maybe you can recommend people instead of issuing a statement

2. dont start a thread based on the shoutbox when you don't read the full details
(lolix wasn't asking about which map to farm, he was saying he would get about 100k by HIS calculations of abt 400 charisma) - which IS fairly accurate, and i said that the xp losses wouldn't be worth it, unless you are purely farming for gold. (not going to explain when you practically agree with me on it)

3. nutaku aigis =/= dmm aigis, the speed at which nutaku can release events is 1/3 or at most 1/2 the rate of dmm's. Meaning we will never catch up, unless nutaku changes their methods of handling events. (meaning more breaks for us, yay lolix)

4. don't quote random sources, that don't take into account the AVERAGE player. WHO THE FISH is going to spend 1/4 of his day doing that frequently?
It is NOT a practical theory. Even the writer admits all his numbers is made on the spot, 480 charisma = lv253 player, Lafate recently hit 200 (congrats, 201~202 now?) and he has been playing faithfully forever. No way, 480 is an accurate number for nutaku players.

0.01 = ASSUMPTION.

Even you said, for all the effort, you SHOULD be able to get at least a couple of silvers.
I didn't wanna talk about it, because i want more people to foolishly try this assumption and post the results but since you called me out like that, you forced a response to clarify.

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Originally Posted by buttlover

Umm, i am not sure if you understand the word "advocate" but it is a scale lower than "TELLING" people to do things.
"TELLING" is sometimes used synonymously with "giving an order"

Either way lesson learnt:

1. never "tell" someone else to do something you haven't done, maybe you can recommend people instead of issuing a statement

2. dont start a thread based on the shoutbox when you don't read the full details
(lolix wasn't asking about which map to farm, he was saying he would get about 100k by HIS calculations of abt 400 charisma) - which IS fairly accurate, and i said that the xp losses wouldn't be worth it, unless you are purely farming for gold. (not going to explain when you practically agree with me on it)

3. nutaku aigis =/= dmm aigis, the speed at which nutaku can release events is 1/3 or at most 1/2 the rate of dmm's. Meaning we will never catch up, unless nutaku changes their methods of handling events. (meaning more breaks for us, yay lolix)

4. don't quote random sources, that don't take into account the AVERAGE player. WHO THE FISH is going to spend 1/4 of his day doing that frequently?
It is NOT a practical theory. Even the writer admits all his numbers is made on the spot, 480 charisma = lv253 player, Lafate recently hit 200 (congrats, 201~202 now?) and he has been playing faithfully forever. No way, 480 is an accurate number for nutaku players.

0.01 = ASSUMPTION.

Even you said, for all the effort, you SHOULD be able to get at least a couple of silvers.
I didn't wanna talk about it, because i want more people to foolishly try this assumption and post the results but since you called me out like that, you forced a response to clarify.

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ok fine, my bad about the choice of words. I'd prefer if you re-read my line, but I meant I am informing people on how others are saying to use AW betty when they recommend AW betty. happy now? they have the choice to follow or not to follow.

2) lolix DID ask which map to farm. after which he did not get a reply and found out that pastoral gate is the place to go to, following which he obtained his own results from farming it. and yes, I do agree on exp loss, so it depends on which you're going for anyway.

3) yes, nutaku aigis =/= dmm aigis, but it doesn't mean the gold farming methods do not work. I am not saying this method MUST be followed. I am saying this method is viable when you lack gold and can do w/o the unit exp. (you can't actually get both.)

4) that source is simply to show some statistics on what you can POTENTIALLY get out of farming pastoral gate using the massive grind way. it IS a practical theory, for those outliers you mentioned. you don't need the exact same statistics of 480 charisma. even less and you'd still be earning a farm bit of gold using this method.

edit: might just add: since you mentioned AW betty is worth it, but you disagree with using her to farm pastoral gate, might I ask what do you find worth AW'ing betty for in that case?

edit2: exkale, thanks for the vid, but I kinda wish we could've known how much gold you got out of that run =P also for those using that video as reference, sherry gave 5% attack buff and prince gave 21% (probably) to betty (AW42) to get 623 attack needed to one-shot the gobs. (you need around 615 atk to one-shot the gobs I think)

Fair enough. Guess I'll run Pastoral to save me the headache.

... Getting slightly ahead of myself though, need to actually AW Betty first. Well, she'll come after Iris, anyway.

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Originally Posted by soranokira

although I'm skeptical about your 2k gold per run in pastoral gate. I think that's due to using AW lyla instead of betty?.

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Originally Posted by exk

That was an old video and it was messing around with fielded units to show why Betty needs levels before she can do anything of value.

Here is the one I recorded today:
44/45 https://youtu.be/Qg8HKctSyCI

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That's pretty much exactly the issue. With a Lyla, her attack speed is significantly slower than a Rogue's. With that, Mysterious Beast might be another farm spot, as Lyla with Risk Life III can one shot the slimes
And then as I mentioned, you need multiple squads of Archers and Witches to deal with the air units.

I think while MB might yield more gold, it requires more work than deploying Betty, Prince at back and then AFKing for the rest of the map.

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Originally Posted by soranokira

exkale, thanks for the vid, but I kinda wish we could've known how much gold you got out of that run =P also for those using that video as reference, sherry gave 5% attack buff and prince gave 21% (probably) to betty (AW42) to get 623 attack needed to one-shot the gobs. (you need around 615 atk to one-shot the gobs I think)

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Since Betty is claiming the majority of the kills, you can assume that 10% of the 44 kills will have a Gold Get proc. That should make it approximately 4.4 Gold Get procs per run, which equals to ~440 Gold average unless RNG messes with you.

Showing the results in the video would screw with people trying to check their results with mine since I have Mia, who grants an extra 15% Gold. I got 9 procs in that video, making it 900 bonus Gold gained.

(Mission Complete Gold + [100 x Gold Get procs]) * (3-Star Bonus * Shop Buff * Ability) = Gold Gained

Pastoral Gate: (600* + [100 x 9]) x (1.5 * 1 * 1.15) = 2,587 Gold

*Information listed on wikis have their 3-Star bonus gold already applied. See also: http://i.imgur.com/y5bdLTY.jpg

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Originally Posted by soranokira

edit: might just add: since you mentioned AW betty is worth it, but you disagree with using her to farm pastoral gate, might I ask what do you find worth AW'ing betty for in that case?

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I use betty like how i use my merchant. For simple maps like LCB when i need silvers, for blocking units off desert maps that i have yet to get commission and probably the first few maps off events when they come.

Betty will eventually pay for herself in the long run with or without having to force yourself to sit down to babysit her.
Oh and i have Berna, so betty will be a token eventually. On general, I'll awaken all good rogues because it is going to be so fun.... once freaking berna crawls her way to 80.

Nice that you got courage to put down the pride and see things from a different perspective. That is something REALLY hard to do.

@exk Saw the video, you have the new awesome black battle spirit?? Why you no deploy Q_Q , i wanted to see that tight ass in action.

If you are completely F2P and are willing to commit, this is the best. (Kappa) I was reading the post seeing the amount of gold available, but then you said manually instead of Commission Sortie, and I just died lol.

Ok , so i got bored with this thread in which people only speculating , so decided to do some testing.


Did pastoral gate 3 times : first run : 1950 gold + 5 drops (4 irons , 1 bronze) = 3650 gold. Second 1650 + 3 irons drops = 2450. Third run : 2550 gold + 4 drops (1 bronze , 3 irons) = 3950 gold.

On Average , pastoral gate gave me 3350 gold. That is not very far from my initial calculation ( i used 3k gold as average). For my stamina that should give around 100-120k gold per a full fill if one is inclined on farming pastoral gate. That is not that bad , assuming u need the gold.



Now i tried other maps as well (single runs , so no averages here ) , and this are the results :

Mysterious beast : 4290 + 2 iron drops. = 4890 gold (this map has potential for a crapload of gold , depending on the RNG , because of the sheer amount of kills , but it's long and boring)

Royal road (22 cha map , 56 enemies , 1080 base gold) = 2970 + 4 drops . Drops lvl 9 fodder. Not the best , but it's usuable > if you want a bit of both (gold/unit xp)


Dragon hunting (37 cha , 3600 base gold) = 5100 gold + 3 drop (2 irons , 1 brozne) =6100. The drop rates on dragon hunting are rather meh , we all know that , but it drops lvl 18 fodder , it's easy to afk farm (just place betty right at the cave spawn point , and give her 1 healer , the prince and a high lvl archer/witch for the dragons). I will update as i find other maps.

The problem with drake hunting is that it's not that much better then doing IB for example (on which u get more drops , and comission sortie)