Thread: plat units = to blacks

Blocking and tanking golems are literally the only things Gellius definitively has over Nadia, and Nadia gets around the former by having ground AoE.

But by all means, continue to destroy your own argument.

Originally Posted by lolix

i get the feeling that you people confuse terms : "tanking" is not the same as "blocking". Different nuances , and while a tank also blocks a blocker doesn't necesarily tank.

There is no confusion. The problem is that you seem to think "when you really need a tank" means tanking golems and mega bosses. And everyone else thinks of tough situations with decently damaging mobs that a lot of things will not be able to handle.

Bernice and the blacks do an equally good work for pretty much every damn mob out there apart from the golems/bosses AND they deal more damage (Well, Bernice only with SA). So in that sense, Gellius is only really the best choice if he removes the need for another healer or something else would have died. Most heavy armours as well as Nadia do not die vs most of the standard heavy-hitters that are not mega-endgame-bosses-of-fucking-doom-and-deathination. So in that sense Gellius is probably not the best choice.

So there is the problem - you keep saying "tanking" as if every map in the future will include high end bosses and thus saying Gellius is best. Meanwhile the rest of us look at pretty much every other map where we do not face those ultimate bosses and seeing that Gellius can be easily replaced on those.

Edit: I had to google deathination and only usernames on different sites popped up. I shall now declare this as a new fancy word for ultimate destruction.

so let me get it straight. Nadia is better because she has better dps , even tho she costs more , blocks less , and is not even the best duelist in the game for most situations , but gellius is worse because he can literally facetank everything , even high tier bosses , costs less enough that there is little need to replace him with a cheaper heavy if you need a HA on the map , and has generally really high defensive stats ? But he is worse then her because she does damage. ok mate.


Edit : tenhou , and u don't see the same happening with nadia ? There are enough cheaper duelists or anti swarms out there capable of doing what she does (even if they have crapier dps , they will cost quite a lot cheaper , leaving enough room to place another unit on the field). You don't need an 2k dps anti swarmer for every map either.

Yeah, you're just going to bullshit your way for another 100 posts despite being proven wrong at every turn.

Christ, you're worse than FarK.

If you're going to continue to make incorrect blanket statements and ignore every legitimate argument, then you may as well stop posting and wasting everyone's time.

the problem is Eab that you have proven nothing. Also you don't bring arguments to a conversation. You just disagree with the points someone else brings , but care little for explaining yourself. And i am not wasting anybody's time here except mine. Nobody forces you to respond either.

They are around the same because both have heavy UP requirements. Gellius for the dps that need to help him kill things and Nadia for the UP she needs. In both cases you won't be deploying them early but they are both broken units in their given roles. That doesn't mean the other is better and i guess the others are pissed off at you because you stated Gellius is better everywhere.

In most cases you will deploy a soldier or two, then something else and if nothing else is needed for the moment you will just wait and store UP for when it is needed. This is where Nadia can replace Gellius for most maps. If you need a heavy armour down fast for some reason then of course he will be better. But i barely see any maps where you need one down asap so you can just wait for Nadia to get ready instead.

That being said, that jungle subjugation map on DMM is like made for Nadia, where can i get my free copy? >.<

I've proven plenty, you just refuse to address the arguments that actively contradict your statements and continue to parrot your nonsense about cost or defense all day. You've not addressed any of the situations where Nadia is definitively better than Gellius in spite of the fact that said situations fit your definition of "need heavy here".

@ tenhou the problem is that i didn't even said that gellius is better everywhere. Just go back , from the very start of the argument and look at my comments. I said from the start that in the right conditions nadia is downright broken. I said that gellius os the best tank that you can place on any map that requires a heavy , and that he's universally good vs all types of damage because of his high stats.

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Originally Posted by Eab1990

I've proven plenty, you just refuse to address the arguments that actively contradict your statements and continue to parrot your nonsense about cost or defense all day. You've not addressed any of the situations where Nadia is definitively better than Gellius in spite of the fact that said situations fit your definition of "need heavy here".

I get the feeling that you are either blind , or dislike using your brain. Since the very first comments i admited that under the right circumstances nadia is downright broken , and ofc there will be situations where she might outperform gellius. That doesn't mean that she's better then gellis , seeing as i can make specific situation to make even the most niche units look godlike ? How is that even a god damn argument ?

And you were continuously proven wrong about Gellius being the best tank because, once again, if you can DPS something before it becomes a problem, then a cheaper tank or a tank that can also do damage is superior than Gellius.

The argument that Nadia is better is because Nadia fulfills her roles better than Gellius can. Gellius is replaceable with any tank unless golems are involved or ranged slots are sparse. Nadia is replaceable with a duelist and 2-3 mages. Obviously you get better returns with Nadia, therefore Nadia is the superior unit when it matters.

Originally Posted by lolix

I get the feeling that you are either blind , or dislike using your brain. Since the very first comments i admited that under the right circumstances nadia is downright broken , and ofc there will be situations where she might outperform gellius. That doesn't mean that she's better then gellis , seeing as i can make specific situation to make even the most niche units look godlike ? How is that even a god damn argument ?

The problem with this is that she isn't really niche. Her cost is barely higher than mages and those you still mange to place during maps, right? So if you can skip placing Gellius + a mage and just place her, then provided she can tank whatever comes her way, she will be worth 2-3 mages in terms of dps AND will not need to block because she will brutally murder things before they get a chance to go past her, with her high attack speed.

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In either case none of the two are placed down on a map asap, really.