Thread: plat units = to blacks

unless u can replace nadia with a duelist with aoe assasination , or place her vs a boss with high resistance and she does jack squat damage , when a duelist with true damage would outperform her easily.
Or you need a duelist to stall a megaboss , in which case olivie or karma would work better , or you have a very early swarm where she won't even be placed. the fact is there are many situations where nadia doesn't do her job that well either.
And your argument that gelius does no damage compared to bernice ....well , how much damage do you think bernice will return to most enemies ? I mean it mostly depends on how her counter works : if she does half of the enemies attack or half of the damage taken , but even so...

And against really high damaging bosses , you're better of using a better tank , then have your tank return some damage , but need more healers. If that's the case , gellius will masively outperform bernice against higher tier enemies , and not get vastly outperformed against low tier enemies to warrant him not being fielded over bernice

I wasn't really heavily implying Bernice is the greatest replacement.

I'm getting a bit tired of this now. Can we just agree that both units are broken compared to their tier of rarity? That was the bloody topic anyways. Use what you want, provided you have it and it works.

Originally Posted by lolix

unless u can replace nadia with a duelist with aoe assasination , or place her vs a boss with high resistance and she does jack squat damage , when a duelist with true damage would outperform her easily.
Or you need a duelist to stall a megaboss , in which case olivie or karma would work better , or you have a very early swarm where she won't even be placed. the fact is there are many situations where nadia doesn't do her job that well either.
And your argument that gelius does no damage compared to bernice ....well , how much damage do you think bernice will return to most enemies ? I mean it mostly depends on how her counter works : if she does half of the enemies attack or half of the damage taken , but even so...

And against really high damaging bosses , you're better of using a better tank , then have your tank return some damage , but need more healers. If that's the case , gellius will masively outperform bernice against higher tier enemies , and not get vastly outperformed against low tier enemies to warrant him not being fielded over bernice

Those aren't situations that you would use a duelist and three mages, let alone Gellius and whatever else. Good job moving goalposts.

how the hell would you even think that i was comparing how both units would perform in the same situation , when literally untill now i was talking about how good each unit perform in their own god damn role ? Holy hell. But pls , keep at it. Argue without reading what others said before. You're definetly making me look bad

While we are talking about gellius being the best tank.. Is it just me or does it annoy anyone else that a plat is even better then a black. Blacks should be the very best at their role. Deine should be able to block anything and say self heal or do more damage. Cause she can't tank the end game golems right?

Originally Posted by lolix

how the hell would you even think that i was comparing how both units would perform in the same situation , when literally untill now i was talking about how good each unit perform in their own god damn role ? Holy hell. But pls , keep at it. Argue without reading what others said before. You're definetly making me look bad

You're the one that talked about replacing Nadia with all those things directly after I said Nadia is replaceable with a duelist and three mages. What the fuck else was I supposed to determine from your idiotic post?

i just pointed out that nadia can be outperdormed by individual units in different situations , because you were going on and one about how gellius can be outperformed by other individual units in his own role. I just shoawed that the same goes for nadia , and no , she won't always do the same job as 3 mages and 1 duelist. Depending on the situation , she won't even replace a single duelist

focus mate

No shit, but that doesn't devalue Nadia the same way other heavies/tanks devalue Gellius.

Again, Nadia is good at what she does. That doesn't include AOE assassination, or high-resistance, or whatever the fuck else in that post.

Originally Posted by switch

While we are talking about gellius being the best tank.. Is it just me or does it annoy anyone else that a plat is even better then a black. Blacks should be the very best at their role. Deine should be able to block anything and say self heal or do more damage. Cause she can't tank the end game golems right?

I agree that there should at least be ONE black tank that can outperform Gellius in end game tanking. That said, Deine is an absolute beast in damage as a tank. 1k+ dps non-awakened with her skill up. Yes, dps, not damage.

The black vs. plat argument is interesting in itself, but except for a few cases, blacks aren't always better.

Look at princesses, for example. Lilia and Sherry have their moments where Sybilla or Olivie would underperform.

The exceptions would probably be Nanaly and black Iris.