Thread: Team Advice for Future Content

Just from taking a quick look I would say you need a 2nd CC'd Heavy, witch, and a 3rd CC'd healer. Also I would work on Imelia and get her CC'd. From what I can see you will get more benefit from cc'ing what I suggested and then getting those units to 50/60 before doing any awakening. As far as awaken the usual strat seems to hold true Spica first then go from there.

Thanks for the reply! I actually have CC'd Leanne, Calliope, and Alissa to fill those roles at the moment. Couldn't find a good way to add them to the post. Not sure if they are strong enough compared to what you are thinking though, they were just the ones that I had enough rares to CC. Also, what makes Imelia special in regards to duelists that puts her above the other princesses and Clissa? Is it to have a tank buster?

First of all, level ur core units. Thier level is ways to low. For example, Iris, fedora, bernice, mehlis, katie. At least get them to 50cc40 then 50cc60.
About gold Units, Zola is a niche Unit thats worth leveling and ccing and can even replace a mage on most maps cause she can turn her dmg to magic if needed and her range and ATK is ways higher then a gold mages one. But like i said, first work on your core. Another one being Yuyu. Shes a better witch then Cloris. Shes an (half) elf that makes her ATK near Plat rarity high. U can ignore Julien for the most part atm, u have jerome hes the best Unit of that kind.

Now to Answer ur question. Imelia has the highest HP and DEF (especialy with her skill) and skill out of all bandits. This makes her a pretty good lighning rod if your healing is strong enough. Also she can survive hits of boss enemys that hit so hard that ur normal duelists would get one hit killed by just cause she has massive HP.
Shes also a pretty good duelist in general if needed. If ur Imelia is too high cost and too low skill level u can use ur Celia, shes actualy the better lightning rod thanks to her MR. Just not as usefull overall, Imelia is more of an "all odds" unit.

About the princesses. Lilia is the tanky one, if u prefer ur princess to be beefie chose her. Shes a strong 1on1 duelist that can survive better then most other 1on1 duelists. She also makes a great lightning rod (someone who tanks magic damage). U already have the best lighning rod in the game being sophie but still, situational lilia can be better.
Sherry on the other hand is more the glasscannon type. Well she isnt made out of glass that much but defenitly cant take as much as Lilia. Her Attack though is crazy high, during skill use even higher then that of black rarity princess. So if u wanna kill something realy quick sherry is ur pick over lilia.
Regarding AW Sherry wins, her AW gives all gold and lower rarity units an extra 5% HP, ATK and DEF, making her the best stat boosting unit, just not for plats or blacks.
Since looking at ur units u have a whole bunch of units to level worth of 2 months of work i recommend u to focus on only one of them until ur far more leveld.
Clissa is much more of an early deploy unit to ramp up UP maybe even paired with an soldier like katie, she can kill pretty much everything that a map throws at you at early stages, while princess or bandits are more mid to late game units.

Gellius is the best tank in the game, theres nothing more to say but that im jelious.

Use ur second copy of Bashira to CR/SU ur prime one if u havent done that already.
Keep leveling Spica. Ignore that plat ninja for now until ur core is more leveld.
Shuka is nice to reduce the cost of all deployed units after her deployment. Not a prime focus but keep that in mind.
I cant tell u a lot about Marius but hes supposed to be good, just dont know where to fit him, dont bother to much about it right now.

In Future Events focus on farming the maps that drop the silver units u need to cc ur units (or later on awaken).

Farm Trust for Jerome and Gellius. Get ur girls on 100% Affection if u havent yet. Farming Mondays daily most efficiantly is very important for u cause all ur leveling will soon need many many hundreds of thousands of gold. And u can need any plat armor u can get.
Read this on when to use plat armors to level Units.

Wow, quite the helpful and informational post there Nero! I'm glad to know it comes down to levels mostly. I've had some pretty bad luck with platinum armors and am always one or two stars away from the plat armor reward when the events roll around. I've been stuck farming Fiery Oasis for fodder. With your advice I think I'll end up burning a couple of crystals to get more gold.

I just did a batch pull earlier today and that is where I got: Clissa, Gellius, Cellia, Lilia, Sherry, and Jessica. That's mainly why none of them have been touched yet. I was very hesitant to touch Gellius since not too long ago I CC'd and leveled my Bernice and Leanne, but with what I've read and your comments it seems better to just go ahead and bite the bullet on him.

The main thing that I'm wondering now, given the advice that you've given, is the matter of priority when leveling. Iris and Fedora are a given to max out first I think. In regards to Gellius/Bernice though, which should be done first? Gellius has a ways to go, but it seems that he is leaps and bounds stronger than Bernice. I have the same question in regards to Jerome/Katie. I was of a mind that Katie had become obsolete when I pulled Jerome, seeing as usually only one soldier unit is needed when they're needed at all. I know stat-wise Jerome is more offensive than Katie, but should I be leveling both or does one take priority over the other?

As for trust/affection, all of my CC'd units are maxed out on that. I kind of made that my number one priority for a while when I was earlier on in the game.

Lastly, who has priority for awakenings? I know that Spica is #1 on the list, but I also have enough spare golds and DC to awaken one more unit this week. Who would be the best one for the second awakening? I was thinking it would have to be either Iris or Gellius, but I am not certain on this. I don't particularly plan on lvling Sherry in the very near future seeing as she is a bit more niche than my other units that need to be maxed, so she really isn't on the table for awakening #2. EDIT: Or is she worth delaying the rest of my team for?

Iris/Fedora>Imelia>Bernice/Gellius>Mehlis>Zola seems to be what I'm getting from your post, does that feel about right? I only say Iris/Fedora before Imelia because I already have a somewhat passable tank in the form of Bernice and Sophie.

As always, I really appreciate any and all of your advice! Thanks!

EDIT: I see a lot of praise for shuka, especially with the new buffs to her and her synergy with Waltz. Is she worth fielding though if she is at max cost and low skill lvl?

You can just level ur Bernice to at least 50cc40 befor working on Gellius, doing so doesnt need a lot of time and offers solid stats. Bernice is a very good tank and u have copys of her to CR/SU her in future, theres not many situations yet where u NEED an tank thats better then Bernice so Gellius is not in a hurry but still high on the list.
Im a fan of Katie. ... but i guess you could just as well dismiss her and focus on Jerome until u have spare time to care about a second soldier. Katies AW is cute (2% def for everyone) but jeromes is even sweeter so no regards there too.

Spica doesnt always have to be #1 to be awaken. She was my third after Katie (i dont have jerome) and sherry (my team has a lot golds/silvers). What u awaken first should not be "what everyones telling is great in generel" but "what do i need right now to give me an edge?". Once ur core is leveld and u made some expierinces with your team u will notice where it could do better or where you need to make better and there kicks AWing in. U dont AW just for the passive like everyone makes u think, also to make a unit stronger that u need to be even stronger stat wise and that can variey.
I just give you a few examples so u get an idea. Maybe u have problems with maps where Unit Points early in the map is important and lose the map befor it realy starts not because ur too weak but because u have no min cost silvers or the likes. There Charakters like Jerome and Shuka kick in (more likely Jerome). His AW gives u +2 Unit Points from the beginning.
Or other case. (very unlikely one for you). You have a map where u need your tank to also take magic damage while still holding off normal enemys because of reasons, Gellius gains MR after AWing which would solve that problem.
Another one. You notice that your archers arent doing thier job well enough or that u would realy benefit from having even stronger archers, then spicas AW is the go-to option.
You use a lot of gold/silvers or even bronze units on some maps (yes min cost bronzes do get used on some maps)? Sherry can make that whole team get the edge it might need.
You want your Heavys to be even more heavy? (pun intended) Berince AW gives all Heavys 5% more defence.
U need an Tank with so crazy high HP that u dont know what to do? AW Imelia, she gets 10% more HP for all bandits.
Your healing may just not be strong enough and you might need an extra burst-emergency-save-your-live-instant-drop heal? Go AW Iris.
If you see where this is going u get an idea on how to fix for yourself what u will want to AW once your that far. Until then i suggest you to power up your core and gather experience with your units to see what you realy need.

Regarding Shuka im sure someone else then me can give you an better impression if a max cost low skill version is worth it or youll have to wait for an revival.

Okay I think I have the gist of awakening. I think it'll have to be Jerome in my case, in cases like Immortal Beast my early units are either single blockers or don't deploy quick enough. I'm still getting demolished in Base Scramble II but I think that is just due to the low level of my team in general. Once my units start to have a bit more oomph I think I'll be able to pinpoint the weaknesses of my team a bit more, which in turn will let me finally clear Base Scramble II and that pesky War of Magic. I need gold and xp first and foremost though, so I'll hold off on awakening anything for the moment. Thanks again for all of the advice guys, very informative!

Just how on earth did you play to still be underlevel for that long (since you have Claudia, that's 6 months already)?I play since Rita's event and I can still manage a accepteable Imelia ( CR-2, SU 5/10).

While low skill doesn't hinder Shuka's performance that much, max cost hurts. While she would still be able to serve as a good ramp, and 2-block-2-attack still helps clearing rushes nicely (and 30% dodge helps her survivability during all this), number of maps where you can drop her as a first unit to make most of her cost reduction lowers considerably. Well, AW Jerome's passive will help, sure, but cost issue would still bump her awakening priority down a bit (and you really want to awaken your advance guard to make most use out of them).

And I wouldn't really put off raising Sherry that much. As you already have best lightning rod (Sophie) and one of the best physical duelists (Clissa), you don't that much need your princess to be tanky one, and while Claudia's true damage is certainly appealing, AW Clissa provides that (at 30% chance on each attack), so high-powered princess with AW passive that boosts near half of your army seems to be pretty neat investment)

You may also want to look up videos for G-tier daily maps and compare them with your lineup to help you decide on units you want to rasie afterwards.

Originally Posted by Nero010

U dont AW just for the passive like everyone makes u think, also to make a unit stronger that u need to be even stronger stat wise and that can variey.

In our defense, the reason people get excited about the percentage based passive bonuses is that they're often competitive with or far better than other Awakening abilities even when applied only to their provider. For example, between elven plat stat distribution, Archer Attack Up and Excellent Arrow's power and duration Spica can reach the sheer attack power necessary to be a bread and butter unit on all but the most heavily armored of maps. She's just plain good even if you pair her with a vampire hunter, pirate or no one at all instead of another archer.

@lolix You're right that AW Sherry is probably the single biggest overall improvement to his team that one AW would make but that doesn't necessarily make it his best choice if it isn't enabling new maps. It's probably still just Spica IMO for higher Crystal Keeper difficulties, which means more DC which means faster future AW to improve his massive potential team. As I said though, if the opportunity comes to AW a unit and you think you have a better choice to enable another map then go for it. We are kind of splitting hairs at this point, but the game is a massive grind that could always be skipped with enough SC, so building towards a team that can farm more efficient options should always be the goal when deciding what to level first if progression is your primary motivation.

The easiest way for OP to answer his own question honestly (and this will work for any person with these sorts of "advice on what to level next") is to look at a guide for the next map you can't yet complete and figure out what you need to level to get there while taking into account any premium units you may or may not have available. Obviously you'd put more weight on beating the best story map option and higher thursday and monday daily options if possible since those tend to be your limiting factors. Event maps can supersede everything in the short term depending on what level of unit you're gunning for.

@Nero AW for higher stats is definitely nice, but don't be fooled, the passives and abilities are almost always the reason for deciding what to AW next. You just don't get enough for it to be worth it usually without some sort of percent boost to teammates or practical ability.

As an example, Spica's damage at 50cc70 100% aff is 502 and at AW99 is 589. To realize that 17% boost means leveling her from 1 to 50 again and throwing 11 plat armors and 33 plat spirits which could level multiple other units. It's even less if you don't go for max obviously. Compared to 20% extra dmg against flyers and 7% to ALL archers attack with no extra investment past the AW itself. Until we get harder maps, you just don't need that many stats per unit slot gained from levelling AW units.

To provide an exception, my next AW is going to be Bashira over multiple other "better" options (Lilia, Zola, Mehlis, Iris off the top of my head) even though her Priority Ranged ability is nearly useless. That's because a second AW archer will let me farm Crystal Keeper G over X since I already have the Artillery Officers levelled to handle the end rush. It will take me an average of 48 runs of G over X before I "earn back" the 100 DC I used on the AW and start turning a profit, which is about 3 months at 4 runs a day (saving up and running right after and before resets makes 4 runs a day possible, and even 5 runs at higher prince levels). This also doesn't even factor in the increased Charimsa cost either, which means a little less fodder acquisition during no event weeks, but I also get a bonus SC earlier for map completion. I've decided as small a bonus as that is that it's worth doing because I don't think delaying AW my more core units like Iris by 100 crystals will affect my ability to complete event maps in the meantime. Things could change if the event climate heats up but this is my perspective after 4-5 months of play. Most people wouldn't think about this or even care at all, but this is how I analyze things to get the most value out of my limited resources.

This turned into a wall of text but I hope my formatting was decent and everyone that stuck through managed to glean a bit of information from it.