Thread: Is it time to riot?

Originally Posted by ZeroZet

Real problem is that Nutaku can't. do. a. damn.
And JP developers, who are managing our version, just simply don't. give. a. single. fsck. about us filthy gaijin subhumans.

Problem is, our only form of communication with the japanese devs are through nutaku.
I truly doubt the Japanese would be lurking in our forums and we have no real chance to talk to them either. So everything that nutaku says is taken as gospel. Albeit they don't abide to it themselves.
There will a new event in 3 months. 3 months later, JUST JOKING, ITS THE JAP DEVS FAULT *insert insulting gif*

Pretty much the reason I prefer the DMM version, the japanese devs there tend to keep their promises that they post on twitter etc.

Originally Posted by buttlover

Pretty much the reason I prefer the DMM version, the japanese devs there tend to keep their promises that they post on twitter etc.

But why reward the japanese devs, who are at major fault that nutaku aigis is at quite a bit of stalemate?
This fact and the fact I can't japanese is the reason that I'll most likely never touch dmm aigis even though I thought about it multiple times.

Originally Posted by Overload

But why reward the japanese devs, who are at major fault that nutaku aigis is at quite a bit of stalemate?
This fact and the fact I can't japanese is the reason that I'll most likely never touch dmm aigis even though I thought about it multiple times.

Fuck that shit political game that nutaku and the jap devs are playing. I support good content creation.
Naturally being an english speaker, I am biased toward nutaku.
But when they fail to deliver, most of the time, they blame it on the japanese devs and then claim innocence.
For years EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Only a fool will continue to trust them.

WHO DECIDED TO ANNOUNCE NEWS BEFORE BEING ABLE TO CONFIRMING THE PRODUCT? EVER HEARD OF CONTRACTS?
Clearly if they had written contracts and DMM isn't able to uphold, they are liable. DOESN'T SEEM THAT WAY TO ME.
As nutaku themselves say, they are a small team (mostly marketing people imo) and DMM games require a consistent dedicated team of programmers.


Aigis is a good game and well developed product. I support that.
The translations and porting over of the english version is slow and terribly done. I supported the idea but not the process. I no longer support that.

Who deserves to be rewarded is clear in my mind.
If a company keeps blaming external factors for years and still has that same problem today, is a lousy company.

Justify it however you want, but you got a second rate service from both your "good content creators" as well as Nutaku and now you want to reward the first party for pissing on you and calling it rain.

Originally Posted by Talith

Justify it however you want, but you got a second rate service from both your "good content creators" as well as Nutaku and now you want to reward the first party for pissing on you and calling it rain.

You are mistaken. When I take out my wallet and pay for content, I expect good content.

When I pay DMM, I expect that from DMM.
When I pay Nutaku, I expect that from Nutaku.

If nutaku makes promises but doesn't keep them, I don't blame DMM for promises nutaku has made. I dont need excuses, I just pay another content provider.

I would love to mindlessly pick up a pitchfork to crucify whoever nutaku tells me to point at, and i did that for half a year. But nutaku's blanket statements never changes and i grow weary of waiting. I can only assume 1. they cant incentivize the devs effectively (cost vs returns not enough) 2. they are too busy with their other projects (either one or both of them) 3. communication breakdown - all speculation but I would love an official statement to correct me.

Either way, I did not let biased views, stop me from at least trying out a FREE superior version of a game I enjoy.
At least, as a direct user of DMM, they keep their promises. Constant entertainment. Frequent events and they even celebrate holidays.

DMM is a big company. Their website alone generates 500+ million USD a year. The people implementing aigis content and those in contact with nutaku might very well be different parts of the company.

Personally, I would try out both sides before jumping to conclusions.

Here they say that thing.



And they suddenly changed their mind?



And are we going to believe their sh*t anymore? Especially after their recent failures...

It's the same sh!t, only under different sauce. Both mean no takeover, both mean JP devs continue their tyrannical reign, both mean Nutaku can't do a thing. Second one just sounds nicer

Originally Posted by buttlover

When I pay DMM, I expect that from DMM.
When I pay Nutaku, I expect that from Nutaku.

I see that as the problem, expecting anything from either Nutaku or DMM is wrong, specially DMM as they do fuck all in regards to Aigis.
When I pay DMM, I expect good content from Aigis devs.
When I pay Nutaku, I expect good content from Aigis devs.
This is what you should expect, same as for other types of games like when Fromsoftware makes Dark Souls series, do you blame Bandai Namco for messing large parts of it up?

Aigis devs are the same people doing the content for both sides, DMM doesn't make them do anything, money does. DMM has far more things going for it than Nutaku that losing Aigis wouldn't mean much. Nutaku want Aigis to stay and the devs know they have them over a barrel and don't need to do much, its survived this long with people still paying tons.

Swapping to the DMM version is just cuddling up to the guys that just pissed on you and saying they won't do that to me here with DMM watching. When Aigis starts to die on DMM, DMM will do nothing to help out, games come and go there, it just means another game will fill the gap. And Aigis is starting to age though thats no indicater of how long it'll last.

I am in no way saying don't swap to the DMM side to play the game, just be aware of how easily you can be fucked over again by the devs, they follow the money which is currently Aigis on DMM, if they make a better money making game Aigis could easily be sidelined on DMM.

Originally Posted by Overload

But why reward the japanese devs, who are at major fault that nutaku aigis is at quite a bit of stalemate?
This fact and the fact I can't japanese is the reason that I'll most likely never touch dmm aigis even though I thought about it multiple times.

I can't read Japanese either but playing DMM is fine. You get most of it from playing Nutaku first. The rest can be gleaned via research on the DMM Aigis wiki and using Google Translate. Its not perfect but not hard to work out. It does make playing on DMM more a pain in the butt however the pace the game moves and variety makes it almost completely different to Nutaku.

One thing I have found is finding help videos is trickier so I generally don't bother with them. But you have more regular free SCs so the margin for error can be greater. Also your team builds a lot faster with better quality units. As a free player on Nutaku that margin isn't there due to lack of regular SCs and unit quality is a lot lower.

Originally Posted by Sasha

I am in no way saying don't swap to the DMM side to play the game, just be aware of how easily you can be fucked over again by the devs, they follow the money which is currently Aigis on DMM, if they make a better money making game Aigis could easily be sidelined on DMM.

The game can't last forever. By its design we are already seeing that new units are merely variations on things other units can already do but in a different way or power creep goes up a notch. While power creep isn't so bad because there is no PvP it can kill a game over time.

In a way 2nd Awakening is part of that but its also a way to prolong longevity and hopefully open up a new end game for the players who can do it. If this means new hard content across the board that is good but it could also mean the game will end (when the money dries up) with newer players not even coming close to trying it.