Thread: Question about a few units I rolled last night

Originally Posted by Unregistered

^^ @lolix for the above reasons I don't really put Odette in the same tier as Karma, Anya, and Belinda either. She's a fine unit, but she's very far from non-optional.

actually , u will use odette a whole lot more then karma and anya to be honest. They are very strong units , but they are a whole lot more niche. Odette and belinda are very good event units for the simple fact that they are very general use , and there aren't that many other viable options for free 2 play players

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Originally Posted by Samyy

@lolix...i really dont get how mages r less reliable then witches..i didnt even use calliope in all my dmm-nutaku aegis life..except aw fodder :v the fact tht a guy can ignore belinda's farm is totally agreeable wen his developing a healer that u gonna need on every map..most just place her in barracks n forget her. now if ur considering it from a freemiums point of view..even he will consider to bring his best units in game..so ..considering his timeline from after karma event..which we both are in nutaku..u think either of us will use a belinda ovr solano ?

They are more reliable in the fact that they are used a whole lot more then mages AND you can't really replace the witche's utility with any other unit (well , maybe mikoto , but that's it) and also u will NEED to use witches (phalanx 2 , war of magic , etc) for certain maps.


On a side note , mages are really expensive , and a whole lot maps on which they would be usefull , they can't be placed because of their cost. Besides that , they can be replaced with stuff like summoners , or even cannoners , so they are not always a "must have" unit in a party

Well of course you'd place Odette a whole lot more than Anya or Karma, but that is only because she is "strictly better" (costs more UP if not reduced) than other mages and is a more widely utilized unit type. But that doesn't really matter if those extra stats aren't making a difference in map completion. I've done all the story maps and 3 starred all events for months with only Valerie and Pallis. I'd rather have a new unit type that opens up more possible strategies and maps that would be (nearly) impossible to 3 star without rather than a slight buff to my magic AoE damage. I don't consider her skill that useful either, unless we get some new enemy type down the road that hits whole map with magic damage.

@samyy why do you continue arguing DMM meta when that isn't even what's being discussed? Even so, you're formatting and broken english makes it all very difficult to parse. I don't really care to fact-check and math it out but I'm sure Tenhou did not forget to include things like Belinda and Yuyu's passive buffs in his calculations either.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Well of course you'd place Odette a whole lot more than Anya or Karma, but that is only because she is "strictly better" (costs more UP if not reduced) than other mages and is a more widely utilized unit type. But that doesn't really matter if those extra stats aren't making a difference in map completion. I've done all the story maps and 3 starred all events for months with only Valerie and Pallis. I'd rather have a new unit type that opens up more possible strategies and maps that would be (nearly) impossible to 3 star without rather than a slight buff to my magic AoE damage. I don't consider her skill that useful either, unless we get some new enemy type down the road that hits whole map with magic damage.
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which is why i argued that witches are more general use and reliable then mages in general. Anya and karma are niche units. Aka , u won't realiably use them in all situations as u use a witch or ever a mage.


I get the feeling that we are arguing 2 different issues here.

Originally Posted by Samyy

@lolix tell me 1 map where you absolutely need witches.

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't War of Magic rely heavily on having good witches and using their low cost to your advantage on that map?

Originally Posted by Samyy

its a god tier map ?.___. war of magic can be done by spica 50cc

Good joke) Can you record a video of you using Spica on this map?

War of Magic - first 4sta map. Units allowed to deploy - mages and witches. ONLY mages and witches.

Originally Posted by Samyy

sure i can..tell me wat where tht map is located. i mean location e.e..err dealt it in jap..forgot loacation in dmm..i will have to login nutaku to chk for the demn map's location.
bless u koishka something u made me login nutaku after a year i think..doing it now..may not be able to record but will screenshot a few

U are restricted on using only witches and mages on WOM. ANd u can't do it with mages becasue u got wolfs rushing. As for phalanx 2 , a max CR/SU , max level belinda can solo the map (with prince deployed tho ) depending on the positioning on the map , and using her skill.

Good joke indeed. Literally everything Samyy has posted has been a joke and claims he only plays DMM version anyway. Could at least relegate your stupidity to the DMM subforum then since you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

@lolix I didn't disagree with you about witch usability. Only thing I argued was putting Odette in same tier as Anya and Karma type units despite their niche because many mages can do the same thing as Odette just fine. While Anya and Karma are broken when used correctly. You may have me confused with some other fool in thread claiming Belinda and witches in general is useless.

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Originally Posted by Samyy

@tenhou..dmm isnt moron free either :P plz tell me why you will include a witch with chrono witch necromancer and as i stated before a reinforce III soldier or 2 already there...if ur comparing the end game dps of yuyu and belinda thts actually more for belinda then u showed me considering prince passive for her aw ability increases her ap and ur forgetting the half elven yuyu's bloodline that will make her x1.5 more/3sec ovr belinda..but u have to consider y we put witches :P theres absolutely no reason to.when i can put a ton of other useful units..its like say...not too long ago ppl used to call samurai/shogun useless..the same guys r using hibari like no tommorrow now...so if i wanna arrange my sortie i will bring my most useful units there..among them i wud see wat can be done by who..so i will choose a 17 uc witch there when i can have a 35 up reinforcing soldier that can put anya or a chrono witch early game or a necro that can do1.9k dps at 6 up more ?if u wanna be sympahetic to witch i wud say closest poor man's witch is yuyu bcz of her availability and cost..other wise in dmm no not worth it. unless you have prim a plat tht can beat black chrono witch in dps :P ow n i bet u dont use a witch bcz u got esther in dmm > demn you getting esther >
@lolix...i really dont get how mages r less reliable then witches..i didnt even use calliope in all my dmm-nutaku aegis life..except aw fodder :v the fact tht a guy can ignore belinda's farm is totally agreeable wen his developing a healer that u gonna need on every map..most just place her in barracks n forget her. now if ur considering it from a freemiums point of view..even he will consider to bring his best units in game..so ..considering his timeline from after karma event..which we both are in nutaku..u think either of us will use a belinda ovr solano ?

Okay, i'll give deciphering this a shot...

First off, you seem to be constantly talking about units by using "end game" and "whale" logic at all times. Endgame is not everything, especially not on nutaku. Witches still serve a place as early cheap slowers and magic damage.

You ask me why i should place one instead of a chrono witch or necromancer and i tell you that the necromancer can only stop things with her skeletons that have health and are limited, and a chrono witch has worse dps and has an insanely long initial timer on her skill (unless black...). Witches are still very useful in many situations, ESPECIALLY for free players that do not whale the shit out of the game like you seem to do.

Samurai's are generally not that impressive, Hibari is different but she's one unit and she does not make the whole class amazing like herself.

Yuyu is NOT a good "poor man's witch." Seriously, she's a gacha gold unit. You need luck to get her out of all the other golds and you need SC to bloody get her. Don't go telling me she's a low cost witch by default. Belinda is not much better off on nutaku since we get events so seldom but on DMM she pops up once every month making her a good cheap unit to get.

Also, yuyu's "half elf bloodline that gives her 1.5x" is pure bullshit in its most basic form. Elves naturally get more attack and less health than other units and Yuyu is no different. The extra attack she gets is in her god damn stats from the start and do not magically appear in battle.

Lastly, i find it so funny how you keep bringing up a premium black chrono witch or other premium units that a lot of people do not even have. From a free point of view Belinda is a great unit and witches have a lot of potential uses on many maps. Having one or two readily available is NOT a bad idea, especially Belinda. And yes, i will bring Belinda over Solano if the map calls for it. If i need a god damn slow.

For the records, i still use Belinda a lot on DMM despite having the oh-so fancy black mage of doom and destruction. She proves to be very useful on a lot of maps, especially since i am not a paying player on DMM, which makes my arsenal limited.

You have to realise that not every unit is "useless" just because they won't be taken to DMM endgame content or because you can just whale in something better (yet still not have Mikoto, always makes me giggle).

PS.
Learn to make better sentences. I am not deciphering another unparagraphed bastard-child-of-the-wall-of-china with tons of acronyms/slang/shortwords/leetspeak again. I feel dumber for having read it.

Nice update to my rebutt lmfao. This is exactly why I haven't bothered to register and tie a name to my posts in the first place. This community is 90% garbage and honestly it isn't worth it. Whatever debt I felt like I owed the 10% for being so helpful is more than done by now and I'm out.

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To the 10%, I'll suck your dicks.