Thread: Question about a few units I rolled last night

Rachel is definitely awesome and can replace a premium archer in most cases but you aren't really considering the UP cost either. Many maps almost require an archer that's cheaper than Bashira/Spica anyway. Soma and Alissa I would say are the two silvers you can't really skip levelling no matter what premiums you get from Shrine just because of UP concerns on a lot of maps.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Rachel is definitely awesome and can replace a premium archer in most cases but you aren't really considering the UP cost either. Many maps almost require an archer that's cheaper than Bashira/Spica anyway. Soma and Alissa I would say are the two silvers you can't really skip levelling no matter what premiums you get from Shrine just because of UP concerns on a lot of maps.

Bolded is exaggeration, just saying. I don't use ANY silvers anymore but being the whale that I am, I have some OP blacks like Aisha, Minerva, Nanaly and Sybilla, to name a few.

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Ignoring that, UP cost is definitely a common issue, especially for newer players (since their units aren't AW units that can 1-2 hit mobs lol), and it's why a lot of players recommend leaving Zenobia, Jerome and Phyllis CC for much later. Their skills don't change upon CC so until your team is much stronger (and for the first two, you're considering getting ready to AW them), the extra stats sometimes don't make up for the 3 seconds later deployment, especially in the case of Phyllis (some early game strategies rely on her being 50 non-CC). That said, Daniela is generally considered superior to Soma (though Soma gets free 25 affection head start), but Alissa is definitely the best silver healer.

However, in this case, Alissa isn't nearly as vital since he drew Mia, whose cost is actually 1 less while only having a very slight deficit in Attack, more potential due to Platinum rarity, and healing 2 units at once (3 with AW) while reducing terrain effects (VERY helpful in daily maps, and the desert). Alissa is taking a backseat here (only needed if 2nd healer needed out of Mia's range, or if Mia's shorter range is an issue due to deploy slot placement)

Agreed. I recently made a new account without leveling any silvers and got into the desert maps, with the exception of valerie. (my unit pool was mostly gold units and vastly inferior to kira's)

There are tons of strategies anyone can use to clear a map and if you have better units, leveling silvers are generally a waste of resources imo especially in nutaku where silver units are so scarce.

Whats more kira has zeno which effectively gives him an UP advantage over the average player.

Perhaps no matter what you get is a bit strong. I'd amend it to 99% of accounts opening rolls.

I don't use ANY silvers anymore is also a very odd statement. I don't care how premium your army is, some maps ARE NOT POSSIBLE without cheap bronze or silver units. Just because you aren't farming them currently doesn't mean you won't need them should you want to do them later. UP cost isn't just a problem for newer players, the hardest rush maps test everyone's UP. Most just seem to forget because they aren't the good farm maps.

I'd consider Soma and Daniela as pretty interchangeable, and Daniela isn't strictly better though more useful I agree. It's usually the early maps where you'd want such a cheap archer anyway though so it's kinda moot.

The reason I say Alissa is hard to skip is because of the large number of maps where you need 3 and maybe even 4 healers. So unless you're rolling all of the premium healers (and maybe even if you Have them, where UP is tight) you're going to need a silver to supplement, and a reduced Alissa is the only silver I personally still use on a regular basis.

@buttlover...so you didn't use silvers, but used golds you rolled anyways. A gold archer only costs 1 UP more than a silver so...w/e. If I really wanted to go no silvers even Valerie is easily skippable because of Cyrus, but you're just gimping yourself in the short term by skipping them entirely without very particular units from shrine. Of course this is all only when UP is an issue, otherwise go bananas.

i realistically haven't used silvers in ages , outside of the silver canonner for today's G daily....and that's simply because i lack a better one.


Realistically speaking , having the right plats/blacks can entriely replace the need for silvers. Take jerome for example. His AW passive can make tight up maps quite a lot easier.

Take nanaly or minerva , or any ranged black massive dpser. Even if more expensive then a silver archer/ranged unit , hey do massively more.






Honestly , outsie of the cannoner , i haven't used silvers for more then 100 levels....on 2 different accounts.





Not saying that silvers are not important , but you are vastly overestimate the value of having silvers when you have a really strong team

Dwarves and Giants. And nobody really cares because it isn't a farm map.

Saying you don't use silvers is a bit of a misnomer when you definitely still need them to do every map. Just because the majority of your play is on the same farm maps that aren't UP tight. And I mean more than 2 points from AW Jerome tight.

This is my main team, as you can see.... Silvers account for more than half of units in it.

Nine silver units.

Three Gold units.

Three platinum Units.

Elaine, Phyllis, Leeanne, Mortimer, Alissa, Soma, Pallis, Valerie, Calliope.

Katie, Gold Iris, Vincent.

Gellius, Bashira, Lucille.

I use few more units that's not shown in the main team because they get rotated in and out as needed depending on the map.

Cloris, Cypria, etc.

In fact, I won't be surprised that most of the Aigis players use practically same nine silver units I mentioned in this post. Plus some variation depending on what they get from sacred crystals.

Besides out of all Iron units that lasted the longest in my army, was three iron archers of the Kingdom the prince is from. I leveled them to lvl 30 and they was pretty cheap to summon at 5 UP. I still have those iron archers chilling in my barracks. :3

So cost of the units does serve a huge purpose in forming your army for a particular map.

Originally Posted by lolix

i realistically haven't used silvers in ages , outside of the silver canonner for today's G daily....and that's simply because i lack a better one.


Realistically speaking , having the right plats/blacks can entriely replace the need for silvers. Take jerome for example. His AW passive can make tight up maps quite a lot easier.

Take nanaly or minerva , or any ranged black massive dpser. Even if more expensive then a silver archer/ranged unit , hey do massively more.






Honestly , outsie of the cannoner , i haven't used silvers for more then 100 levels....on 2 different accounts.





Not saying that silvers are not important , but you are vastly overestimate the value of having silvers when you have a really strong team

Say it to my current 2 and previous 2 accounts which never had both bernice and gellius, guess which ones i used instead ~~ hopefully a plat HA event is near.

on first acount i havent done that map in almost a year. On my second , i haven't even touched it since it's really not a quest that i need to do yet.


Raising , and cc-ing silvers for dwarves and giants alone is plain stupid


@eric - those are good silvers , nobody denies that , but my team is pretty advanced atm, since i'm a pretty old player already. I have some other options atm....and consider that im a freemium. A paying user with the same age (account age i mean) as me , will have an even better team.




Nobody denies the usefullness f silvers , but lets not overestimate it either.

Originally Posted by Ericridge

This is my main team, as you can see.... Silvers account for more than half of units in it.

Elaine, Phyllis, Leeanne, Mortimer, Alissa, Soma, Pallis, Valerie, Calliope.


I use few more units that's not shown in the main team because they get rotated in and out as needed depending on the map.


In fact, I won't be surprised that most of the Aigis players use practically same nine silver units I mentioned in this post. Plus some variation depending on what they get from sacred crystals.

Besides out of all Iron units that lasted the longest in my army, was three iron archers of the Kingdom the prince is from. I leveled them to lvl 30 and they was pretty cheap to summon at 5 UP. I still have those iron archers chilling in my barracks. :3

So cost of the units does serve a huge purpose in forming your army for a particular map.

THX FOR PROVING YOU ARE DUMB, BELINDA EVENT RECENTLY ENDED AND YOU ARE STILL FIXATED ON CALLIOPE.