Thread: Question about a few units I rolled last night

Originally Posted by Samyy

mmm he maybe right :v belinda isnt worth lvl ing xD...if u hav yuyu / chloris which am sure u have chloris for...u actually dont need belinda except sc farm maps....she has lil to no application :v again depends on viewpoint..considering we have awakened instant ReinforcementIII where 35-36 mage is ofc far better thn belinda/any witch below despara...so y waste resource on her ?also belinda>adele = yuyu :P in actual scenerio of use...tht makes most witches useless except the black..considering aegis is abt threshold damage...belinda falls desperately low evn for a 13 uc witch e.e where u can ow place a max soldier n call furthur help. hope that clears the idea of what n how much good she is . again it depends on discretion..she was suppose to be a beginner event unit which dmm started wid..n nutaku gave post aw...prolly thts y this :P

Belinda is totally worth leveling....even over yuyu , who , while still a good witch , costs generally more then her (assuming yuyu is not cr-ed for some weird reason) , lacks the AW passive that belinda gets , and also lacks the platinum deploy/cd skills



In the end , everyone can do whatever the heck they want with their accounts , but there is a reason why most people want revivals and want the older units , and thats simply because those are pretty much the best event units we got.


Stuff like belinda , aria , karma , anya , and odette are really good to have. After them , most units became more and more niche

Jeez relax guys, my iron/bronze units to me is the equivalent of toy green soldiers I used to play with as a little kid. Picture upload attachment to help you understand what it meant if your childhood sucked.

I used to have "epic" wars between green vs tan soldiers all the time back then.

Blizzard?
Rain?
Heat wave?
Normal Day?
Huge dirt hill?

Did wars in almost all kinds of weather conditions.

Which is why I'm sad that theres no iron/bronze priests and valkyries, etc. Lack of those specific units in iron/bronze really prevents my toy armies in aigis from coming together fully.

Originally Posted by Samyy

belinda is optional...karma anya odette are not. ur either fallowin a wrong strategy or going the long way..witches have lil to no use except prim or despara :v and yuyu dps>belinda...so y waste time wen we simply put a witch for dps .___.

Err, no. Witches are generally put down for their slowing capability and early magic damage for a cheap cost. Belinda, who can be mincosted fairly easily is still widely used even by DMM players when they actually need a witch. Furthermore, the claims that Yuyu has better dps is a bit overrated. Her attack speed is in fact not that incredibly much better than standard witches and an AW Belinda comes with her passive that grants her a nice deal of extra attack.

...actually, here, let me put down the numbers for you and anyone in the future that keeps going on about Yuyu's "oh so much better dps." I am guilty of this myself, i admit, but that's because i missread a name once, which was Ryuryu, another witch which gains an attack speed passive.

Dps at max AW level with 21% prince buff:
Yuyu: 647atk x 0.53as = 343 dps
Belinda: 689atk x 0.52as = 358 dps

Attack speed numbers taken from here: http://aigis.gcwiki.info/?%B9%B6%B7%E2%C2%AE%C5%D9
Rest is pure math :P

Originally Posted by Tenhou

Dps at max AW level with 21% prince buff:
Yuyu: 647atk x 0.53as = 343 dps
Belinda: 689atk x 0.52as = 358 dps

(~￣▽￣)~ Oh snap, Tenhou with the facts. (~￣▽￣)~

Originally Posted by Samyy

belinda is optional...karma anya odette are not. ur either fallowin a wrong strategy or going the long way..witches have lil to no use except prim or despara :v and yuyu dps>belinda...so y waste time wen we simply put a witch for dps .___.

Belinda is still the better witch. She improves all other witches , usually comes cheaper and is free. Besides that , she is plat (aka faster skill usage)



Yuyu requires you getting lucky in a premium draw , and that's not a reliable way of getting units (even gold ones).



Also witches are more reliable then mages , lol , considering u will use mages less often then witches in general.. Also , most maps can be done with literally any mage, or even with a summoner , without that much of a difference. On a side note , range increase witches are needed on some maps if u don't want to have to cc like 3 silver witches in her stead...

^^ @lolix for the above reasons I don't really put Odette in the same tier as Karma, Anya, and Belinda either. She's a fine unit, but she's very far from non-optional.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

^^ @lolix for the above reasons I don't really put Odette in the same tier as Karma, Anya, and Belinda either. She's a fine unit, but she's very far from non-optional.

actually , u will use odette a whole lot more then karma and anya to be honest. They are very strong units , but they are a whole lot more niche. Odette and belinda are very good event units for the simple fact that they are very general use , and there aren't that many other viable options for free 2 play players

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Originally Posted by Samyy

@lolix...i really dont get how mages r less reliable then witches..i didnt even use calliope in all my dmm-nutaku aegis life..except aw fodder :v the fact tht a guy can ignore belinda's farm is totally agreeable wen his developing a healer that u gonna need on every map..most just place her in barracks n forget her. now if ur considering it from a freemiums point of view..even he will consider to bring his best units in game..so ..considering his timeline from after karma event..which we both are in nutaku..u think either of us will use a belinda ovr solano ?

They are more reliable in the fact that they are used a whole lot more then mages AND you can't really replace the witche's utility with any other unit (well , maybe mikoto , but that's it) and also u will NEED to use witches (phalanx 2 , war of magic , etc) for certain maps.


On a side note , mages are really expensive , and a whole lot maps on which they would be usefull , they can't be placed because of their cost. Besides that , they can be replaced with stuff like summoners , or even cannoners , so they are not always a "must have" unit in a party

Well of course you'd place Odette a whole lot more than Anya or Karma, but that is only because she is "strictly better" (costs more UP if not reduced) than other mages and is a more widely utilized unit type. But that doesn't really matter if those extra stats aren't making a difference in map completion. I've done all the story maps and 3 starred all events for months with only Valerie and Pallis. I'd rather have a new unit type that opens up more possible strategies and maps that would be (nearly) impossible to 3 star without rather than a slight buff to my magic AoE damage. I don't consider her skill that useful either, unless we get some new enemy type down the road that hits whole map with magic damage.

@samyy why do you continue arguing DMM meta when that isn't even what's being discussed? Even so, you're formatting and broken english makes it all very difficult to parse. I don't really care to fact-check and math it out but I'm sure Tenhou did not forget to include things like Belinda and Yuyu's passive buffs in his calculations either.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Well of course you'd place Odette a whole lot more than Anya or Karma, but that is only because she is "strictly better" (costs more UP if not reduced) than other mages and is a more widely utilized unit type. But that doesn't really matter if those extra stats aren't making a difference in map completion. I've done all the story maps and 3 starred all events for months with only Valerie and Pallis. I'd rather have a new unit type that opens up more possible strategies and maps that would be (nearly) impossible to 3 star without rather than a slight buff to my magic AoE damage. I don't consider her skill that useful either, unless we get some new enemy type down the road that hits whole map with magic damage.
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which is why i argued that witches are more general use and reliable then mages in general. Anya and karma are niche units. Aka , u won't realiably use them in all situations as u use a witch or ever a mage.


I get the feeling that we are arguing 2 different issues here.

Originally Posted by Samyy

@lolix tell me 1 map where you absolutely need witches.

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't War of Magic rely heavily on having good witches and using their low cost to your advantage on that map?