Thread: So many units, so little fodder... (advice request)

Originally Posted by MalusCorvus

Witch - Belinda, Despera (especially tempting to use for RC since I don't care for witches much)

Why man, why... Despara is my one of the most wanted cuz she's waifu tier and no worse than other blacks in term of usefulness.

I have two Desparas and I honestly haven't used her much compared to Shiho. Probably because I tend to default to princesses for the bulk of my magic damage instead.

i have perfected shiho , cc-ed and at max level. I don't use her much. She will be great after SAW , yeah , but as it is , i dont find her that reliable

She is a great healer tho...so i use her at times when i really need burst healing , or lack suficient healers (since i run a single AW healer team atm + a cc-ed fedora - was too lazy to awaken her as well , but i should soon i guess) , but she's a bench warmer most of the times for me.


That being isaid , i kinda lack princesses ,so it might be that as well (only have claudia)

Originally Posted by Eab1990

I have two Desparas and I honestly haven't used her much compared to Shiho. Probably because I tend to default to princesses for the bulk of my magic damage instead.

All I can say to this is... wow...

I have AW Sherry, Sybilla and Olivie and I still use Despara often. She's cheaper than any princess and is ranged by default (only princess with ranged is AW Sybilla during skill), she slows AND deals solid magic damage... I don't get how you people think she's not that great. She's a go-to unit for me on numerous maps.

Witches in general are used for slows and some early magic, but she can trivialize early rushes by just dropping her, popping skill and Slow + Huge (for her cost, at least) magic damage, it's just not something to underestimate so easily IMO.

Originally Posted by IvanLedah21

All I can say to this is... wow...

I have AW Sherry, Sybilla and Olivie and I still use Despara often. She's cheaper than any princess and is ranged by default (only princess with ranged is AW Sybilla during skill), she slows AND deals solid magic damage... I don't get how you people think she's not that great. She's a go-to unit for me on numerous maps.

Witches in general are used for slows and some early magic, but she can trivialize early rushes by just dropping her, popping skill and Slow + Huge (for her cost, at least) magic damage, it's just not something to underestimate so easily IMO.

It's mostly because I don't know how to fit her in blind runs. Her sheer power doesn't mean much if I don't know where to drop her or when to pop her skill... though that doesn't stop me from using Solano either. And it's not like my ranged is lacking elsewhere, even if it's physical.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

It's mostly because I don't know how to fit her in blind runs. Her sheer power doesn't mean much if I don't know where to drop her or when to pop her skill... though that doesn't stop me from using Solano either. And it's not like my ranged is lacking elsewhere, even if it's physical.

Well, for blind runs, Princesses are probably easier to use since they
1) block
2) are more durable if you don't know where ranged enemies are going to appear, and
3) most come with some utility especially after AW (Bronze/Silver/Gold buff, ranged damage during skill with instant kill, Elf/Dwarf buff and dodge, true damage for Claudia)

For subsequent runs, Despara is awesome if you know where to drop her. Early, high-powered magic damage (with slow attached) is great stuff on sooo many maps.

@Kayfabe, to be fair, he did mention his comment was aimed more toward blind runs, where having more panic buttons is often a good thing.

There's really no great mystery to using Despara. She's longer range than Shiho at max affection, cheap enough to be deployed as "I have no idea what I'm doing but some of these things are red..." filler and 90 of her first 116 seconds on the field can be spent with her skill up. In a very real sense it's more practical to think of her as a 1.1k+ magic damage unit who occasionally does 615 damage than vice versa. She isn't game breaking so much as she's just really practical because you can seriously just activate her skill every time it comes back online and stuff is in range. She's certainly no comparison to pre-SAW Shiho, a unit who's pretty low impact as a witch and spends more time recharging her skill than healing and so is thus more of a panic button on blind runs than a primary healing option.

Originally Posted by HungryHunter

Most events I play doesn't require or force me to use a Princess

Maybe most of the events don't, but you'd be wise to take it as a warning sign that three days a week we have Golden Armor G and Spirit Hunting G maps that are greatly simplified if you can throw a couple of princesses at your problems. Things will change somewhat as power creep marches inexorably forward and Nutaku receives more of the magic damage options DMM players enjoy but for right now it's still generally more rewarding to switch out a bandit or valk in favor of a princess than vice versa simply because of the difference between magic and physical damage both in terms of prevalence and mechanics. It's a big enough deal that my imperfect Unawakened Claudia still gets deployed regularly while my perfect AW Imelia spends most of her time warming the bench until some super boss needs tanking. Shit like heavy armor, liches, small golems and werewolves are collectively too common to be easily dismissed as gimmicks and princesses excel at killing those things and are only marginally worse at killing vanilla units.

Originally Posted by kayfabe

There's really no great mystery to using Despara. She's longer range than Shiho at max affection, cheap enough to be deployed as "I have no idea what I'm doing but some of these things are red..." filler and 90 of her first 116 seconds on the field can be spent with her skill up. In a very real sense it's more practical to think of her as a 1.1k+ magic damage unit who occasionally does 615 damage than vice versa. She isn't game breaking so much as she's just really practical because you can seriously just activate her skill every time it comes back online and stuff is in range. She's certainly no comparison to pre-SAW Shiho, a unit who's pretty low impact as a witch and spends more time recharging her skill than healing and so is thus more of a panic button on blind runs than a primary healing option.



Maybe most of the events don't, but you'd be wise to take it as a warning sign that three days a week we have Golden Armor G and Spirit Hunting G maps that are greatly simplified if you can throw a couple of princesses at your problems. Things will change somewhat as power creep marches inexorably forward and Nutaku receives more of the magic damage options DMM players enjoy but for right now it's still generally more rewarding to switch out a bandit or valk in favor of a princess than vice versa simply because of the difference between magic and physical damage both in terms of prevalence and mechanics. It's a big enough deal that my imperfect Unawakened Claudia still gets deployed regularly while my perfect AW Imelia spends most of her time warming the bench until some super boss needs tanking. Shit like heavy armor, liches, small golems and werewolves are collectively too common to be easily dismissed as gimmicks and princesses excel at killing those things and are only marginally worse at killing vanilla units.

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Aight, I'll train my Sherry and Themis once I AW Iris. I know y'all told to AW Spica first as the very 1st AW gurl but I had no time to train her after Gold Rush and dis event

I have AW Thetis, Sherry, Imelia and Cellia, and Thetis is my go-to unit for duelist option, gank option, you name it, she does it She's that great, after all

Originally Posted by kayfabe

There's really no great mystery to using Despara. She's longer range than Shiho at max affection, cheap enough to be deployed as "I have no idea what I'm doing but some of these things are red..." filler and 90 of her first 116 seconds on the field can be spent with her skill up. In a very real sense it's more practical to think of her as a 1.1k+ magic damage unit who occasionally does 615 damage than vice versa. She isn't game breaking so much as she's just really practical because you can seriously just activate her skill every time it comes back online and stuff is in range. She's certainly no comparison to pre-SAW Shiho, a unit who's pretty low impact as a witch and spends more time recharging her skill than healing and so is thus more of a panic button on blind runs than a primary healing option.

A difference of 10 range. wao it's fucking nothing etc.

On the contrary, Shiho being a panic healer (usually if I drop Aria and I immediately see shit she can't tank alone without support) has helped given me leeway for where I can place my other two healers later in the map. Meanwhile, a witch in the wrong place is... well, not helping.