berna and olivie are better then most free players mate. I for example have a lvl 192 account with no black (other then saki ofc) and a second (lvl 189) with just 1 black.
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berna and olivie are better then most free players mate. I for example have a lvl 192 account with no black (other then saki ofc) and a second (lvl 189) with just 1 black.
I know :p Just want to point out that I don't really have much need for AW since beside those two I practically stick with healer until this event ( 2 draw and pull out Mehlis and Gina, so glad to have Mehlis since I don't have to farm event map for Pallis, I still can't pass Danger in the Oasis)Quote:
Originally Posted by lolix
@Sammyy: You are doing it again. Please, at least care enough to use capital letters. Your post is almost unreadable as it is :(
Now, speaking of 6. Did I at any of my two messages pertaining this matter ever said that our Gold Iris is better than Platinum Chydis? In fact,Here, I clearly said that Chydis is more potent healer of the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroZet
What I was trying to convey is what, while more powerful, at that particular instance AW Chydis was not in any capacity absolutely necessary, as AW Iris at that particular instance would be able to fulfil her role well enough. And given the sheer impossibility to actually obtain Chydis for any player that started after the fabled time of myths that was TP rotation time, the possibility to replace Chydis with a unit freely given to every player is a significant argument for the usability of that solution to wider audience.
Maybe we will see a Trading Post rotation in the future when Nutaku actually takes over the implementation of content. Probably even. But here and now, for any player that started after the last rotation, Chydis. Does. Not. Exist. When she begins to exist (in other words, when people will be able to obtain her) once more, only God knows. So if you advice players to sit on their thumbs without levelling (and Awakening, for better stats at minimum, as lack of powerful heals hurts) any good healer til then... I sincerely hope you are joking. Insufficient healing kills. Banking on some vague undefined "might be" in such a crucial aspect is plain stupid.
Do remember that for any player that started recently and didn't have luck to pull Camilla or even Fedora from Premium Gacha, healing options would be limited to silvers and, guess who, Iris. Even should he be able to pull Fedora, utility of instant heal on placement that awakening of Iris bring to the table far outweighs single cost reduction that Fedora's awakening has as far as tactical versatility go. So in our current situation, Iris is far from being only useful as a fodder. I would go as far as say she's enabling even, for raising her will help player to clear more difficult content right away, without watching it go away while waiting for some "plat" that nobody knows when it might appear.
And, DMM is DMM. Nutaku is Nutaku. Not only DMM version has two years worth more content compared to our side, they also lived through several waves of unit rebalancing patches, so any comparison between two versions should be done with extra care.
Now, addressing 7, do note I was talking about last map, not the Slay, second-to-last map what indeed requires no heavy. And, to note, the last map features no Lich King to kill...
I would seriously love to see the strategy of 3*'ing said last map without a heavy armor, for future reference, so if you have a video do share it please. It would be interesting to see what kind of hard to substitute resources (like AW gacha plats or blacks) it takes to pull off.
And of course... Archer and even the Vampire Hunter can't kill the lich? O.o So, every videos of Bashira or Spica taking care of liches on the left side of a Slay before King shows up, a video of AW Elizabeth burning through entirety the Lich King's health bar in no time flat, all of them are fake? You opened my eyes to this great conspiracy, fer sure. :rolleyes:
Fact is, for Awakened Vampire Hunter entirety of the last event would be the best moment to shine. Why? Class bonus against undeads, pretty much only kind of enemy we faced. Sure, they would not survive against liches on Slay for long without a lightning rod, but who in his right mind would ever allow them to face liches without lightning rod anyway?
@Samyy - Gonna try answering your posts.
To answer your first post:
1. I was basing my choices based on SabishiiRyuu's units in order to help him on the Slay map which was here. He joined way after Claudia's event so I had to make a plan B for him, which was using Thetis, who had enough MR to take the King's magic attack with some healers helping her out.
2. I can agree that one unawakened Nanaly isn't enough, but when you pit two high levelled AW'ed Nanalys like Alpha in this vid: https://youtu.be/rvGTsKaJlHI?t=1m34s, it works like a charm. I used AW'ed Sybilla and her ranged magic attack during skill to team up with unawakened Nanaly at maxed level and Waltz to slay the King.
3. Like ZeroZet mentioned above, not all players were lucky to play when Chydis was available at TP. Therefore, we have to rely on the free units (G.Iris, Alissa, Dorca) and premiums that not many have (Camillia, Liana, and Marr). To further make us even more salty, the devs even took out Saria, one of the best rapid healers, in Nutaku's version. All in all, us late Nutaku players are pretty weak in the healing department at the moment unless they dish in some money to have a tiny percentage of getting plat+ healers, which will not happen until after the takeover.
4. Same as above. Late players that started in 2016 do not have a puppeteer or a summoner (unless they are lucky and hit Farne in gacha). Pretty sure the King's attack is buffed with his passive so he and his lich friends will kill the Prince before the healers can heal him.
As for your second post:
1. Yes, Elaine can tank the lesser lichs. I used her on my alt account for that very purpose at Castle Retake and the recent Feast of the Dead map. However, idk if she can survive with the King and the other lichs targeting her all at once.
2. Same as number 1 above.
3. Same as number 2 above. Adding to it, you don't exactly need two healers for Nanaly (at least for me). Some players could do it with 2 units with high MR on both sides where the King spawns, one burst unit (Nanaly or Elizabeth), 1 healer, and a bunch of lightning rods. That's what Memento is there for; to provide you a lot of tokens to distract the King while your burst units and princesses handle the mobs and him.
4. Olivie can survive in Slay at very high levels after AW, just that you need to have fast hands and a good mouse to deploy lightning rods fast enough.
5. Same as 3 above. Rather than waiting for Chydis' eventual return to TP, us late players rather CC and AW what we got. So far, Iris is the best free healer. Fedora was in gold rush and now in PS, so it is a little hard to get her. The other plats and blacks I mentioned above already. To date, my healing team at DMM far outmatches my team at Nutaku. Saria, Chydis, and Rinne vs. Iris, Fedora, and Alissa. The winning team is obvious here. If anything, the devs screwed us over by taking out the best healers and left us with the low tier ones. Chydis will not come back until Nutaku's take over, who knows if Saria will even be implemented, and Liana replaced Black Iris.
A little something to note too. Some maps are VERY unforgiving in terms of high cost units (looks at you Danger in the Oasis), so levelling some silver and gold healers might do some good.
I have no idea if you are satisfied with these answers, but this is from my playing experience thus far.
1) Valid point, provided she is not tanking lesser liches AND the King (if she even CAN tank the King)Quote:
Originally Posted by Samyy
2) I still don't understand what you're saying, because I sure hope you're not saying you NEED Claudia or comparable units to clear maps above the 3 stamina map
3) Prince is likely deployed anyways for the fact he buffs ALL deployed units, healer should be there anyways, dancer is nice for multi-hit units but not required, Nanaly, if protected by lightning rods, in fact CAN burn down the King, as can Elizabeth. They do suffer the potential issue of hitting the trash instead of the King, but with skill active, that trash isn't lasting long, especially against AW Elizabeth
4) "if you don't have Rika it's your problem not mine" sounds like a jerk talking, sorry. Idk what "baby guns" you're talking about and yes valks can kill liches with proper heal support, we established that already
5) You criticize Nanaly but need to give Olivie TWO AW HEALERS to survive, instead of 1 healer and 1 lightning rod? Also, Olivie has no instant kill skill, idk what u mean by "positioned buffer agro" and unless she's AW with high level Olivie is going down against King + multiple liches, so you better have other lightning rods to take some of that heat
6) you level a gold now because you want to clear maps now instead of waiting months upon months to get that platinum healer. Also, as I said before, Chydis DOES NOT EXIST IF YOU WERE NOT HERE FOR HER TP STAY, Camilla is premium summon and thus not everyone has her, same with Liana, and Marr and even Marius/other heal-capable units, so guess where that leaves newer players? Iris, MAYBE Fedora, MAYBE Robert, and the silver healers. Guess who's best for burst healing there? Iris. Fedora is a tactical option due to cheaper cost (by 1, giving one more CR than the other besides AW bonus is unfair comparison) and extended range vs. burst heal upon deploy and higher healing power during skill.
7) If you're talking about the last map, AoE units are indeed favorable but not required. If you're talking about Slay the King... you have GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! AW Elizabeth is the ULTIMATE DPS there (as long as she's protected by lighting rods, but who in their right mind leaves ANY dps unprotected?). Elizabeth comes up in this discussion so much because this event is HER ULTIMATE KILLING GROUND, she gets bonus damage against undead why the hell would u NOT use her on these maps if you have her AW?
And what was up with that last line? NOBODY is killing 4 liches alone, NOBODY. Even black units like AW Sophie/Sybilla are going to need heal support at the very least. Not to be rude, but even though you say you're not trying to be offensive, you're coming across as 1) a jerk, 2) a DMM player who is out of touch with Nutaku's struggles, 3) an elitist or 4) some combination of the above.
Side Note: I've cleared the entire event without using Heavies, but then I used AW Sophie, Aisha, Minerva, Nanaly, Sybilla and Despara, so I have some massively OP units that most people don't.
You know...I'm just gonna put this here everytime you take Elizabeth's ability to do well on this map lightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samyy
Granted an Archer with Quadra or Triple Shot can do well here as well with that setup, but if you only have the Triple shot archer on hand why not use AW Elizabeth? Range isn't an issue when she is hitting the big guy as soon as he spawns. Plus she not only gets higher attack speed and an attack boost during her skill, she gets an additional attack modifier to damage by just shooting undead enemies.
But hey, if you don't wanna join us in the AWed Elizabeth fanclub, that is okay. We'll just have your shirt in storage when you finally come around. ;)
Considering every other argument for her made here over some time, it would be silly to think otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samyy
Though I only have one true unit to obsess over.
Isn't that right *unit's name redacted for fear of jinxing and never seeing her EVER*?
Finally something to do on Saturday. Wish we had gotten normal dailies (another Gold Armor and Crystal Keeper) on weekends too, but I guess it's better than nothing. Gonna be spamming the AW orb daily for dancer orbs and the eventual mage armor orbs.Quote:
Maintenance Details
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About daily missions
- Add New Saturday Mission "Magic Armor Princess EX"
Drop awakening orbs "Battle Mage", "Sailor Chief" and "Top Dancer"
Add Awakening Class
- Add Awakening Class in "Super Dancer" and "Sailor Elite"
Add Special Awakening Class
- Required Orb
"Summon Master" are "Warlock" and "Top Dancer"
Adjust Unit Balance
- Adjust Unit's Parameter
- Adjust Skill and Ability
- Add Unawakened Ability to Some black rarity
Other Changes
- Changed the Unit boosted in Premium Summon
Finally about the damn right time, I though my Viera gonna sit and collect dust in my inventory for eternity.
Oh Yeah really liking the unit changes...
I'm seeing Cost Down for:
Valks (-5)
Witches (-1)
Rogues (-2)
Advance Stratagists (-5)
Angels (-4)
Magic Fencer (-5)
Ninja (-5)
Pretty sure some stats are up but hard to tell exactly how much... still even just the cost changes is going to help me with my deployments and stage clearing.