Thread: So, what are the most Charisma-efficient levels to grind for combination fodder?

It's not whether it drops better mage fodder, lolix. It's whether it dropps good enough for the increased charisma cost and whether the drop rate is better.

Do not blindly go for maps with the highest fodder, it needs to be charisma vs exp efficient as well.

pretty sure the last mage city map we got drops 3 mage units (2 of which are bronze). If you want to level a mage , it seems to be a really cost effective map

Originally Posted by lolix

pretty sure the last mage city map we got drops 3 mage units (2 of which are bronze). If you want to level a mage , it seems to be a really cost effective map

Level 30 bronze unit of the same class gives 245 XP. Level 20 bronze unit of different class gives 165 XP. Less than 50% higher XP for a bit over 50% more charisma. Depending on drop rates, it might be similar.
If we go for Return the Field, the level 24 bronze mages give 215 XP, which is a slightly better unit XP per charisma than the level 30 bronze mages. Again though, it depends on the drop rates.

Sometimes i wonder if we talk about different cost efficencies, like the cost of energy it takes for you to push the button to do the map, in that case then definitely the 62cha map is a lot better. Please do at least SOME research that doesn't just include "the level of this unit is higher than these ones, therefore it is better!"

I'll put down the numbers, very nicely, without adding drop rates:
62 charisma gives you... 1340 exp if all units drop.
52 charisma gives you... 1190 exp if all units drop.

Now, this gives a exp efficiency of 21,6 vs 22,8 respectively in exp per charisma. This assumes both drop rates are the same, and since petite came out with the 52 map on top i assume it has better drops. Feel free to prove me wrong by running the maps a few times to tell me the difference (i'd like at least 50-100 runs for a "decent" comparison).

Originally Posted by Tenhou

Sometimes i wonder if we talk about different cost efficencies, like the cost of energy it takes for you to push the button to do the map, in that case then definitely the 62cha map is a lot better. Please do at least SOME research that doesn't just include "the level of this unit is higher than these ones, therefore it is better!"

I'll put down the numbers, very nicely, without adding drop rates:
62 charisma gives you... 1340 exp if all units drop.
52 charisma gives you... 1190 exp if all units drop.

Now, this gives a exp efficiency of 21,6 vs 22,8 respectively in exp per charisma. This assumes both drop rates are the same, and since petite came out with the 52 map on top i assume it has better drops. Feel free to prove me wrong by running the maps a few times to tell me the difference (i'd like at least 50-100 runs for a "decent" comparison).

Just wanted to note that leveling with higher units its cheaper than with lower ones (you need less units). So, for the comparison sake, this cost and the amount of gold earned in those maps could also be interesting.

I'd say that gold is not really a concern if you have managed to get to the point where you can autorun those maps though. Just do the gold daily every week and you'll never have gold problems unless you spend loads on the 2k gold summon. And if you're that irresponsible that you cannot have a decent amount of gold (AW/SAW is not an excuse, don't do it if you will be left at barely anything left) then you only really have yourself to blame. Not pointing fingers if it seemed like that, just my general opinion.

Originally Posted by Tenhou

I'd say that gold is not really a concern if you have managed to get to the point where you can autorun those maps though. Just do the gold daily every week and you'll never have gold problems unless you spend loads on the 2k gold summon. And if you're that irresponsible that you cannot have a decent amount of gold (AW/SAW is not an excuse, don't do it if you will be left at barely anything left) then you only really have yourself to blame. Not pointing fingers if it seemed like that, just my general opinion.

I've had better luck in pulling silvers from 2k gold summons than I did with maps dropping silver units for me. :/

Had I not done that, more than half of my units would've never been cc'd or awakened even now.

Originally Posted by Tenhou

Sometimes i wonder if we talk about different cost efficencies, like the cost of energy it takes for you to push the button to do the map, in that case then definitely the 62cha map is a lot better. Please do at least SOME research that doesn't just include "the level of this unit is higher than these ones, therefore it is better!"

I'll put down the numbers, very nicely, without adding drop rates:
62 charisma gives you... 1340 exp if all units drop.
52 charisma gives you... 1190 exp if all units drop.

Now, this gives a exp efficiency of 21,6 vs 22,8 respectively in exp per charisma. This assumes both drop rates are the same, and since petite came out with the 52 map on top i assume it has better drops. Feel free to prove me wrong by running the maps a few times to tell me the difference (i'd like at least 50-100 runs for a "decent" comparison).

I dont care enough to do the math , and looking at the exp efficiency , they are pretty close anyway , so it shouldnt matter that much

You know, not caring about efficiency that much yet replying to a thread about the most efficient maps seems kind of silly :P

If people want to argue efficiency I tend to expect them to at least put out some better statement than "I am one with the force."

to be fair i said it's a pretty cost effective map for leveling a mage unit (which it is). The difference in effectiveness is rather small , and there is also the fact that using higher lvl fodder costs less (since fewer combines)


That being said , i entirely forgot about the 52 sta map. I was thinking about base scramble 2 when i responded , which is obviously not the best map for all classes