The current event (The Priestess Warrior and the Mithril Giants) got me thinking about super tanks. The last mithril giant supposedly hits for 5200 damage. My first inclination is if I desired to tank this my options are:
1) Anya (during skill activation)
2) Tokens from Momento.
That seems like a shorter list than I'd like. A (very quick) search indicates Celia (if I had her) is an option. Are there other options to tank this damage. Bonus for units that aren't black summons.
Thanks
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07-06-2017 #1Unregistered Guest
Super tanks
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Super Tanks*Key:
NameHPDef (w/ P) EHP (w/ P) DMG+%HP (w/ P) +%Def (w/ P) SkillDurRUInitATAtk (w/ P) ASA/S4782
4782
9564239
(289)
0
(0)
239
(289)5021
(5071)
4782
(4782)
9803
(9853)5200
5200
5200+4%
(+3%)
+9%
(+9%)
+0%
(+0%)+76%
(+45%)
NA
(NA)
+0%
(+0%)NA
Risk Life III
Time of the Great Bandits-
10
50-
25
55-
1
5-
-
-1267*
(1508)
3294*
(3920)
2534*
(3016)83
0.723
3155651
(787)3806
(3942)2600+0%
(+0%)+0%
(+0%)Holy Blade Ascalon40851M527
(637)740.8114908 296
(358)5204
(5266)5200
4160+0%
(+0%)
+0%
(+0%)+0%
(+0%)
+0%
(+0%)NA
Spirit Protection-
20-
75-
37.5-777
(940)83 0.723 3838
3838209
(252)
0
(0)4047
(4090)
3838
(3838)5200
5200+31%
(+29%)
+36%
(+36%)+553%
(+441%)
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(-)NA
Risk Life III-
10-
25-
16.7-
-884*
(1069)
2298*
(2779)83 0.723 2970
2970599
(724)
1497
(1810)3569
(3694)
4467
(4780)3640
5200+3%
(+0%)
+25%
(+15%)+13%
(+0%)
+50%
(+24%)True Darkness Aura
Holy Knight's Guard15
5585
701
5-804
(972)620.9683080574
(694)3654
(3729)2600+0%
(+0%)+0%
(+0%)Severing Darkness Aura10851-712
(861)620.9683894
38941005
(1216)
2010
(2432)4899
(5110)
5904
(6326)5200
5200+8%
(+3%)
+0%
(+0%)+31%
(+10%)
+0%
(+0%)NA
Dynamite Power
Seismic Fist-
25
30-
40
45-
1
5-
-
-483
(584)
2415
(2920)
1449
(1753)62
144
1440.968
0.417
0.4174195 663
(802)4858
(4997)5200 +9%
(+5%)+52%
(+26%)NA
Increase Attack IV
Super Explosive Iron Ball-
45
30-
25
45-
1
5-
-
-508
(614)
965
(1166)
1016
(1228)62 0.968 3150 629
(761)3779
(3911)5200 +46%
(+41%)+227%
(+170%)NA
Thunder Bolt-
20-
40-
20-
-901
(1090)
1802
(2180)72
690.833
0.874277
4277623
(753)
1246
(1506)4900
(5030)
5523
(5783)5200
5200+8%
(+4%)
+0%
(+0%)+49%
(+23%)
+0%
(+0%)NA
Increase Defense IV-
45-
25-
12.5-306
(370)62 0.968 3400
34001214
(1468)
1396
(1688)4614
(4868)
4796
(5088)5200
5200+18%
(+10%)
+12%
(+4%)+49%
(+23%)
+30%
(+7%)Overdrive
Limit Cut35
3055
501
5M
M1082
(1308)
1244
(1504)1020.5883957
3957328
(396)
656
(792)4680*
(4748)
5008*
(5114)5200
5200+14%*
(+12%)
+5%*
(+2%)+159%*
(+115%)
+30%*
(+8%)NA
FASCES-
30-
80-
40-
-875
(1058)
1750
(2116)83 0.723 3720
3720621
(751)
0
(0)4341
(4471)
3720
(3720)5200
0*
5200
0*+24%
(+20%)
+40%
(+40%)+139%
(+98%)
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(-)Holy Blade Tyrhung
True Holy Blade Tyrhung13
1575
651
5M
M1023
(1237)
1259
(1523)790.7594397
4397238
(287)
0
(0)4635
(4684)
4397
(4397)5200
5200+13%
(+12%)
+19%
(+19%)+238%
(+181%)
-
(-)NA
Risk Life III-
10-
25-
12.5-
-907
(1097)
2358
(2852)83 0.723 4448
4448208
(251)
0
(0)4656
(4684)
4448
(4448)5200
5200+13%
(+12%)
+17%
(+17%)+263%
(+200%)
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(-)NA
Risk Life III-
10-
25-
12.5-
-1038
(1255)
2698
(3263)83 0.723 3630 608
(735)4238
(4365)5200 +27%
(+24%)+159%
(+114%)NA
Dynamite Power-
25-
50-
25-
-414*
(500)
1656*
(2000)62
1440.968
0.4171615522
(631)2379*
(2488)0
0+0%*
(+0%)
+0%*
(+0%)+0%*
(+0%)
+0%*
(+0%)Holy Blade Hauteclaire
Holy Sword Altachiara15
15+30
301
5M
M939(1136)
939
(1136)62
300.968
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Abilities that provide passive stat increases can be found here. Keep in mind how buffs stack.
For skills of other units that can aid in tanking, look here. Note most relevant skills will be among the Army-Wide Buffs section, but some such as Protection have their own category. This list does not include awakened skills, which can be found here, though that list is not sorted by function but rather unit class. Searching the page for "allies", "units", or "enemies'" can help to narrow down relevant skills.
If any super tanks are missing from the table, let me know and I'll see about adding them.
Edit: Table above was edited into this post from later one. Original post below:
Gellius can tank it during skill use. Though if you want him to tank it without skill use you will need Awakened Adele or Aisha for their passive max health boost. Presently I've been using him with Aisha to tank the unfinished Mithril Golem (unfinished) with an awakened thief on the team which boosts its attack to 5330.
Similarly Deine can tank the 5200 hit of a complete Mythril Golem with her awakened skill, or passively with one of the hp boosters. However, she can also manage with the prince buff and at least +8% defense from sortie awakened abilities. Example source would be Katie (+2%), Len (+5%), Elyse (+7%), and Bernice (+5% for Heavy Infantry).
There are a few more, but those are the two I know off hand.Last edited by NotThatGuy; 10-30-2017 at 01:38 PM.
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I came into this thread to say Gellius and Bernice but I was beaten to the punch..
Bandits might be an option for you, Imelia boosts bandit's hp..
Or Alicia if you can buy her, she might have enough defense and hp to tank it. I haven't done the math. :P
Perhaps Lucille an Dragon Rider..
Or if your options is truly limited then next best thing is evasion tanking. lol For Evasion tanking, use rogues and ninjas.
Bring in an Colin and have her throw bombs at golems as your rogues attempt to assassinate with golem's defense cut in half. I do not know if Golems is immune to alchemist's defense debuff or not.
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Cornelia is often seen as the greatest tank on DMM. With her skill and paladin passive it is understandable why. If you have her or Cellia they're probably going to be the best choice to kill the golem with since they tank less units than HAs and Cornelia's SAW lasts a lot longer than HA skills.
We still do not have the greatest selection of tanks yet on nutaku. HAs are nice but their skills do not last very long and they'll pick up 3 other units to smack them at the same time as the golem, which can be rather bad.
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Alicia can't. Way too little health means one would need to push her defense to over 1.1k with just passives, an that's not possible. With SAW, maybe, but not now.
Lucille also currently can't. Need x1.8 multiplier to defense from passives even with both Adele and Aisha buffing her HP. Once again, need SAW, and that is only 20 s long(
Cornelia will need some passive stacking, from what I see, and won't really survive next hit if under half HP even with her passive. But, 20% chance to ignore hit is a powerful tool indeed... But, 55 seconds is not that far off from Gellius's 45 seconds
Last edited by ZeroZet; 07-07-2017 at 02:56 AM.
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So, there seem to be two main variety of super tanks. Those that passively have Effective HP of 5201 or greater, and those that require the use of their skill to achieve such. Additionally, some units may manage to cross into either category with the proper passives boosting stats. With the title Big Hero, the Prince can provide +21% defense to anything, and there are also other units with various abilities that will boost stats as seen here. Keep in mind how buffs stack.
Edit: Table moved to second post of thread. The version here has been spoilered and will no longer be updated.
Added super tanks I'm aware of. Other suggestions are welcome.
On the note of Cornelia with awakened skill, while using passive buffs to only HP or Def may be difficult given limited selection of units to provide said buffs, +10% Hp and +7% Def with prince buff will give her the necessary EHP.Last edited by NotThatGuy; 07-09-2017 at 12:27 PM.
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Of not mentioned, Miranda(!) seems can survive, but with major passive requirements. May not be feasible given you still need to deal with the rest of enemies.
All in all, Cellia is best. No buffers, no Prince, no nothing 5204 eHP, 2OP
Lol-onee and Lyla are not that far behind.
Last edited by ZeroZet; 07-07-2017 at 03:40 AM.
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On the top of my head , anya , cornlia , gelius and deine come to mind.
Celia with her skill and insane hp might be a good health tank as well.
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Been using Cellia for the greater tanking myself. I also have Aisha, Adele and Elyse for the funsies of mega health with decent def. Not AW'd Imelia yet sadly, or Cellia would have had even more. I need to go ahead and do this.
As an interesting suggestion - i would add each units dps to the spreadsheet as well as whether it is magic damage or not. One might think damage is not the most important thing for a tank, but in all honesty i feel it is a great thing for a tank to be able to deal damage as well, shortening the time needed to tank something. This is why i am not a fan of HAs outside of Deine anymore. They just deal 0 damage and that's more often than not a negative point for me. Point in case - the 62 charisma magic city map. I'm so glad i had tanks that could do damage there so the damn things would go down in time for the next god damn golem.
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07-07-2017 #10Unregistered Guest
If you're going to include skills in the equation, you might as well include Olivier, who tanks any amount of physical damage, and Black Karma, who can literally tank anything.
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Diina>Deine DPS
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